What a terrific, tough filly. She would have beaten the boys by over a second in the Belmont Derby.
There are SO many stellar turf fillies and mares this year, they seriously make the boys look bad.
This year the fabulous fillies are the excitement!
She could give Songbird a run for her money in the three year old Eclipse race with her running in the Beverly D. next out against elders.
Tepin would be really tough if she pointed to the BC Mile, though.
If our older males end up being inconsistent this year, and take turns beating each other, could we possibly see FOUR distaffers being given serious consideration for HOTY? Catch A Glimpse, Songbird and Tepin have all been pretty fabulous so far this year, and Beholder may be just getting started.
If Beholder takes the Pacific Classic, Catch A Glimpse the BC F&M Turf, Songbird the Distaff and Tepin the BC Mile, we may be looking at one of the greatest Girl Power years ever. ;D
Yeah, I know...a lot of "IFs." But you have to admit that the fillies and mares have been consistently excellent so far.
Very true. Beholder with a BC Classic win would definitely get HOTY. I wonder if she has to win the Pacific Classic to be entered in the BC Classic.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 11, 2016, 11:07:37 AM
If our older males end up being inconsistent this year, and take turns beating each other, could we possibly see FOUR distaffers being given serious consideration for HOTY? Catch A Glimpse, Songbird and Tepin have all been pretty fabulous so far this year, and Beholder may be just getting started.
If Beholder takes the Pacific Classic, Catch A Glimpse the BC F&M Turf, Songbird the Distaff and Tepin the BC Mile, we may be looking at one of the greatest Girl Power years ever. ;D
Yeah, I know...a lot of "IFs." But you have to admit that the fillies and mares have been consistently excellent so far.
I think Beholder is the only one who will get any serious play for Horse of the Year. I really don't see it from any of the others.
Quote from: Man o Taz on July 11, 2016, 01:30:09 PM
Very true. Beholder with a BC Classic win would definitely get HOTY. I wonder if she has to win the Pacific Classic to be entered in the BC Classic.
If Beholder runs a close second or third in the Pacific Classic, I would imagine you'd see her in that filly prep race and then try the BC Classic. If she runs out, in the Pacific Classic, I wouldn't be surprised if she's retired.
"I think Beholder is the only one who will get any serious play for Horse of the Year. I really don't see it from any of the others. "
Tepin is undefeated this year, including a win over males and a G1 at Royal Ascot. If she runs the table through the BC Mile, IMHO it would be a travesty if she ISN'T considered.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 11, 2016, 06:00:55 PM
"I think Beholder is the only one who will get any serious play for Horse of the Year. I really don't see it from any of the others. "
Tepin is undefeated this year, including a win over males and a G1 at Royal Ascot. If she runs the table through the BC Mile, IMHO it would be a travesty if she ISN'T considered.
To my understanding while races in Dubai are considered, races in Europe are not, for year-end North American honors. Usually it's not an issue because not too many horses have gone to Europe and won and she's the only one of note. To me, since you want to play what if, if either Chromie or Beholder wins the Pacific Classic and the BC Classic, it's fait accompli. Or the same if Nyquist wins the Haskell and the BC Classic. Yeah, Tepin and Songbird could make the ballot but really, so what? Last year no one but Pharoah should have been on the ballot but for some reason others were but judging by the final vote it was a waste of pixels and ink.
Quote from: curtis on July 11, 2016, 07:25:38 PM
To my understanding while races in Dubai are considered, races in Europe are not, for year-end North American honors. Usually it's not an issue because not too many horses have gone to Europe and won and she's the only one of note. To me, since you want to play what if, if either Chromie or Beholder wins the Pacific Classic and the BC Classic, it's fait accompli. Or the same if Nyquist wins the Haskell and the BC Classic. Yeah, Tepin and Songbird could make the ballot but really, so what? Last year no one but Pharoah should have been on the ballot but for some reason others were but judging by the final vote it was a waste of pixels and ink.
I think the only rule for Eclipse Awards is the horse has to start in North America once. The voters are left to their own devices on what they choose to use as criteria. If they want to use Tepin's race they can, there are no written rules.
Quote from: Flanders on July 17, 2016, 07:58:56 PM
I think the only rule for Eclipse Awards is the horse has to start in North America once. The voters are left to their own devices on what they choose to use as criteria. If they want to use Tepin's race they can, there are no written rules.
Okay, fair enough, Tepin is putting together quite a resume for Champion Turf Female. I still don't see Horse of the Year for her. As for Catch A Glimpse, she seems to work well enough on dirt, if the three-year-old filly Eclipse is a goal they may have to do it the old fashioned way and try to go after Songbird in the Alabama. I'm not advocating that, I believe you should run for as much as you can against the least that you can. The Del Mar Oaks or the Secretariat look like good spots for her before the BC Filly and Mare Turf.
Quote from: curtis on July 11, 2016, 05:46:54 PM
If Beholder runs a close second or third in the Pacific Classic, I would imagine you'd see her in that filly prep race and then try the BC Classic. If she runs out, in the Pacific Classic, I wouldn't be surprised if she's retired.
Thanks. I would hope she finishes well in the race, but if not there is no shame getting another Eclipse. If she retires post PC I could see the Eclipse going elsewhere. She would definitely need the Lady Secret to get the Eclipse. And I think she would with that win, but without it I think IAC or another older female could do it.
Quote from: Man o Taz on July 18, 2016, 02:31:16 PM
Thanks. I would hope she finishes well in the race, but if not there is no shame getting another Eclipse. If she retires post PC I could see the Eclipse going elsewhere. She would definitely need the Lady Secret[/b] to get the Eclipse. And I think she would with that win, but without it I think IAC or another older female could do it.
You're slipping, Man, that race is now named after your main girl. ;)
There is no shame in going after another Eclipse for sure. She has never finished up the track and I just think if it happens in the PC, we won't see her again. Mandella is one the very select few who could have handled Beholder to the extent she continually reaches her peak. She has been competitive every time he leads her over. I think we'll know after the Clement Hirsch. If she toys with the field then I think all systems are go.
You are right. I have a lot of trouble calling it The Zenyatta. Of course, I also have a lot of trouble remembering she is Lady's Secret and not Lady Secret. Two of my favorite mares. The Z-E_N-Y-A-T-T-A. Maybe that exercise will help. LOL
I wouldn't mind if everyone still called it the Lady's Secret. While Zen surely deserves to have a G1 (or two) named after her, kicking the name of Lady's Secret off the marquee in order to get it is just wrong.
Showing respect to one great horse should not mean disrespecting another. >:(
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Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 21, 2016, 11:09:53 AM
I wouldn't mind if everyone still called it the Lady's Secret. While Zen surely deserves to have a G1 (or two) named after her, kicking the name of Lady's Secret off the marquee in order to get it is just wrong.
Showing respect to one great horse should not mean disrespecting another. >:(
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Oak Tree owns the names of the stake races that they used to run during that meet. When Stronach decided to cease the lease arrangement, he paid to use the names for one year and then, it was my understanding, Oak Tree decided to not rent the names any longer. I usually don't refer to the new names either but it was politics not Stronach eccentricity in this case. I grew up watching Money Lender, George Navanod, Telly's Pop, Habitony, Flying Paster, etc. win the Norfolk so that race will always be called by that name as far as I'm concerned. The big F/M turf race at Del Mar will always be named the Ramona as far as I'm concerned. I get that DMR wants to have a race named after John Mabee but the name Ramona Handicap--again I saw Minstrel Miss, Tizna, Dulcia, etc. win it--conjures up a lot of historical memories for me. I'm assuming that one day that 1Mil 10f stake they run there will be the Joe Harper Classic. When Eddie Read died, DMR just created a new race to honor him as opposed to renaming one. There were more horses around then, though.