Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 11, 2016, 11:07:37 AMI think Beholder is the only one who will get any serious play for Horse of the Year. I really don't see it from any of the others.
If our older males end up being inconsistent this year, and take turns beating each other, could we possibly see FOUR distaffers being given serious consideration for HOTY? Catch A Glimpse, Songbird and Tepin have all been pretty fabulous so far this year, and Beholder may be just getting started.
If Beholder takes the Pacific Classic, Catch A Glimpse the BC F&M Turf, Songbird the Distaff and Tepin the BC Mile, we may be looking at one of the greatest Girl Power years ever.
Yeah, I know...a lot of "IFs." But you have to admit that the fillies and mares have been consistently excellent so far.
Quote from: Man o Taz on July 11, 2016, 01:30:09 PMIf Beholder runs a close second or third in the Pacific Classic, I would imagine you'd see her in that filly prep race and then try the BC Classic. If she runs out, in the Pacific Classic, I wouldn't be surprised if she's retired.
Very true. Beholder with a BC Classic win would definitely get HOTY. I wonder if she has to win the Pacific Classic to be entered in the BC Classic.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 11, 2016, 06:00:55 PMTo my understanding while races in Dubai are considered, races in Europe are not, for year-end North American honors. Usually it's not an issue because not too many horses have gone to Europe and won and she's the only one of note. To me, since you want to play what if, if either Chromie or Beholder wins the Pacific Classic and the BC Classic, it's fait accompli. Or the same if Nyquist wins the Haskell and the BC Classic. Yeah, Tepin and Songbird could make the ballot but really, so what? Last year no one but Pharoah should have been on the ballot but for some reason others were but judging by the final vote it was a waste of pixels and ink.
"I think Beholder is the only one who will get any serious play for Horse of the Year. I really don't see it from any of the others. "
Tepin is undefeated this year, including a win over males and a G1 at Royal Ascot. If she runs the table through the BC Mile, IMHO it would be a travesty if she ISN'T considered.
Quote from: curtis on July 11, 2016, 07:25:38 PMI think the only rule for Eclipse Awards is the horse has to start in North America once. The voters are left to their own devices on what they choose to use as criteria. If they want to use Tepin's race they can, there are no written rules.
To my understanding while races in Dubai are considered, races in Europe are not, for year-end North American honors. Usually it's not an issue because not too many horses have gone to Europe and won and she's the only one of note. To me, since you want to play what if, if either Chromie or Beholder wins the Pacific Classic and the BC Classic, it's fait accompli. Or the same if Nyquist wins the Haskell and the BC Classic. Yeah, Tepin and Songbird could make the ballot but really, so what? Last year no one but Pharoah should have been on the ballot but for some reason others were but judging by the final vote it was a waste of pixels and ink.
Quote from: Flanders on July 17, 2016, 07:58:56 PMOkay, fair enough, Tepin is putting together quite a resume for Champion Turf Female. I still don't see Horse of the Year for her. As for Catch A Glimpse, she seems to work well enough on dirt, if the three-year-old filly Eclipse is a goal they may have to do it the old fashioned way and try to go after Songbird in the Alabama. I'm not advocating that, I believe you should run for as much as you can against the least that you can. The Del Mar Oaks or the Secretariat look like good spots for her before the BC Filly and Mare Turf.
I think the only rule for Eclipse Awards is the horse has to start in North America once. The voters are left to their own devices on what they choose to use as criteria. If they want to use Tepin's race they can, there are no written rules.
Quote from: curtis on July 11, 2016, 05:46:54 PM
If Beholder runs a close second or third in the Pacific Classic, I would imagine you'd see her in that filly prep race and then try the BC Classic. If she runs out, in the Pacific Classic, I wouldn't be surprised if she's retired.
Quote from: Man o Taz on July 18, 2016, 02:31:16 PMYou're slipping, Man, that race is now named after your main girl.
Thanks. I would hope she finishes well in the race, but if not there is no shame getting another Eclipse. If she retires post PC I could see the Eclipse going elsewhere. She would definitely need the Lady Secret[/b] to get the Eclipse. And I think she would with that win, but without it I think IAC or another older female could do it.