Started by Man o Taz, May 19, 2014, 06:23:57 AM
Previous topic - Next topicQuote from: Man o Taz on May 23, 2014, 10:34:47 AM
I guess...here is the field's record against CC...
California Chrome
Candy Boy 0-2
Commanding Curve 0-1
Commissioner 0-0
Intense Holiday 0-1
Kid Cruz 0-1
Matuszak 0-0
Ride On Curlin 0-2
Ring Weekend 0-1
Samraat 0-1
Social Inclusion 0-1
Tonalist 0-0
Wicked Strong 0-1
Quote from: serenassong on May 27, 2014, 12:02:18 PM
Candy Boy and Ring Weekend are out of this race. Candy Boy going to the Los Al Derby per Sadler, Ring Weekend out per trainer, no indication where he goes next.
Social Inclusion is cross-entered in 2 other races on the undercard from what I have been reading- thinking he may end up in one of those.
Quote from: peeptoad on May 27, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
I cannot understand what the connections of Social Inclusion are thinking... it's very possible that they are not thinking at all.
They have their horse listed as possible for 3 different races on the same day:
1. a 7 furlong sprint against 3yos (where he probably would fare best)
2. a 12 furloing grind against the best 3yos out there (can't say he would do that well in this spot based on his Preakness run, but he could close out the tri or super I suppose)
3. an 8 furlong test against some of the very best older, male horses in the nation (he is a lock to get his ass handed to him if he runs here)
...yet they will use the same training regime for all 3 races and decide at the last minute.
Where is the eyeroller, wait, here he is:
Quote from: peeptoad on May 27, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
I cannot understand what the connections of Social Inclusion are thinking... it's very possible that they are not thinking at all.
They have their horse listed as possible for 3 different races on the same day:
1. a 7 furlong sprint against 3yos (where he probably would fare best)
2. a 12 furloing grind against the best 3yos out there (can't say he would do that well in this spot based on his Preakness run, but he could close out the tri or super I suppose)
3. an 8 furlong test against some of the very best older, male horses in the nation (he is a lock to get his ass handed to him if he runs here)
...yet they will use the same training regime for all 3 races and decide at the last minute.
Where is the eyeroller, wait, here he is:
Quote from: Man o Taz on May 27, 2014, 12:22:23 PM
Agreed.
I heard he was going to be cross-entered in the Woody Stephens. I hadn't heard of a third race.
He has shown that he can carry his speed as a lightly raced horse 8.5 furlongs, albeit on a fast Gulfstream Park track.
I know its not as a big a racing day at Monmouth Park, but looking at the summer racing schedule I think his best chance to win a Grade 1 race is the Haskell Stakes. Perhaps his connections are thinking of the Kings Bishop for him which is why the Woody Stephens is in the mix.
I think he could run in the Pegasus Stakes and the Haskell and if he does not win both of those, point to the Kings Bishop and perhaps the Kelso/Dirt Mile.
If he excels at the 9 furlong Haskell, then you can even consider him for the Travers Stakes, though I do not think this is an optimal race for him. Granted he is a Pioneer of the Nile just like Cairo Prince, but I think he's more of a 9 furlong horse. And Cairo Prince may be as well.
Just a thought allowing the connections to still keep open the possibility of his still being among the best of this three year old class, while keeping all opportunities open.
However, running in the Woody Stephens off a three week rest may not be an optimal position for him.
The reason I like Monmouth Park is that it tends to favor horses who race on the lead. He would get a four week layoff between races. Now he has more of a bottom under him than he did in the Wood. I think, like Gulfstream Park, Social Inclusion might appreciate the Monmouth Park race course.
All I can say is "wow".