Started by Zenyatta, July 16, 2016, 04:51:01 PM
Previous topic - Next topicQuote from: Man o Taz on July 18, 2016, 02:25:03 PMJust because I'm a Chatterbox was affected by the bumping doesn't, in and of itself, mean there should be no change. The bumping was her own fault. It's a judgement call and she was, much the best. The stewards used similar logic when crafting their explanation which was that since the winner was affected, no change would be made. I don't have a real problem with her not coming down, but that explanation is utter nonsense. All the stewards had to say was that the incident did not alter the placings. Whether or not I'm a Chatterbox was compromised by it is totally irrelevant.
No way. Sorry I cannot say IAC should have been taken down at all. Maybe if the 3 had placed 2nd, but not the 1. I will say that the bumping seemed to be going on a bit further from the break than the BC Classic though it seemed everyone was bumping including the 6, but other than that its incidental contact post break and I thought ICA was the worst for wear afterwards and then rallied. The 1 seemed to come out of it with no problems at all.
Quote from: peeptoad on July 19, 2016, 03:55:14 AMI certainly get the logic behind anyone who thinks she should have come down, I just think it is really hard to take a horse down for something at the start of a 10f race. As for the BC Classic, I bet on Bayern and absolutely loved him that day. Had Chromie been able to get second I would have hit both the tri and the super. I still did okay with a win bet on Bayern. There were a lot of subtexts to that race--both the favorite and the main pace rival being hindered, Baffert being perceived as a puppet master, etc.--but I always thought the stewards did the right thing. The worst two dq's I ever saw were in the 1971 Woodward and the 1994 Big 'Cap. Had both Belmonte, in the former, and Solis, in the latter, just stayed down and ridden their horses rather than trying for an Oscar Award, their horses would have obtained their maximum placings. The winners were much, much the best in those races. Of course both incidents occurred in the stretch.
http://www.drf.com/news/stewards-say-they-began-del-cap-inquiry-prior-jockeys-objection
I think she should have come down also, but these messy starts are pretty well open to interpretation. I thought Bayern should have come down as well (and that one was less aggregious than this imo) and many would disagree with me.
Quote from: curtis on July 18, 2016, 07:15:02 PM
Just because I'm a Chatterbox was affected by the bumping doesn't, in and of itself, mean there should be no change. The bumping was her own fault. It's a judgement call and she was, much the best. The stewards used similar logic when crafting their explanation which was that since the winner was affected, no change would be made. I don't have a real problem with her not coming down, but that explanation is utter nonsense. All the stewards had to say was that the incident did not alter the placings. Whether or not I'm a Chatterbox was compromised by it is totally irrelevant.