Quote from: Man o Taz on August 14, 2015, 06:13:33 AMThe Remsen was such a bizarrely run race that it doesn't work as a comparative tool. There were really only two horses with a chance to win and they finished noses apart. The Alysheba, to me, is an illustration that Honor Code will not show his best form against a relatively deep field of good horses with a tepid pace. Not getting hold of the track until late is just a jockey's use of deflection as they are concocting an excuse. If a horse isn't getting a hold of the track at the beginning of a race they won't later in the race. Horses are big on survival they won't put out maximum effort on a track in which they are uncomfortable. Zenyatta was so far out of it early because the pace was so much faster than any she had faced before. It figured that those horses would come back to her and they did. She just couldn't get by Blame. In Honor Code's case the rest of the field didn't start to come back until it was too late for him to finish on the board.
I agree. He needs the right set up. There is no doubt about it. But he also needs a track that he likes.
He has closed in to win races with the same fractions as the Alysheba before over tracks that he liked...
Look at his Remsen...
Alysheba
23.94, 24.62, 23.42, 24.32
Remsen
25.84, 26.90, 24.82, 23.57
But the Remsen was a weird race...
I think pace if important for him to close into, but the track is more important. In the Alysheba he never got going. Word from Javier was that he never got a grip on the track and when he finally did it was too late ala Zenyatta in the BC Classic. At least she closed to 2nd by a head, when the best HC could do was 5th.
Quote from: Man o Taz on August 17, 2015, 06:11:49 AMI doubt he would have run in both. Honor Code has yet to hold up to such a schedule. The Whitney's a bigger race, resume wise, and the pace is usually always honest because you get a good mix of horses. As far as the Churchill track goes, the winners seem to like it all right. I guess it just suits horses with less talent.
Well, I have seen many talented horses have issues with the Churchill track and other tracks so we will just have to agree to disagree on this point.
If pace was the real issue, I am sure that Shug McGaughey would have run him in the Stephen Foster despite his finish in the Alysheba. He did not. And I am glad he did not because I got to see him in person run one of his best races to set up the Whitney effort.