2015 Derby Point Standings and Schedule

[Man o Taz]

2015 Kentucky Derby Points Standings

Rank   Horse   Trainer   Points   Non-Restricted Stakes Earnings
1    El Kabeir   John Terranova   75   $620,792
2   International Star   Mike Maker   71   $490,979
3   Dortmund   Bob Baffert   70   $630,000
4   Carpe Diem   Todd Pletcher   64   $870,000
5   American Pharoah   Bob Baffert   60   $810,000
6   Firing Line   Simon Callaghan   58   $530,000
   +Dubai Sky   Bill Mott   50   $371,780
7   Itsaknockout   Todd Pletcher   50   $240,560
8   Upstart   Rick Violette, Jr.   36   $615,680
9   Conquest Typhoon   Mark Casse   26   $430,827
10   War Story   Tom Amoss   24   $120,000
11   Far Right   Ron Moquette   22   $385,906
   +Where's the Moon   Henry Dominguez   20   $236,000
12   Madefromlucky   Todd Pletcher   20   $150,000
13   Ami's Flatter   Josie Carroll   20   $99,200
14   Prospect Park   Cliff Sise Jr.    20   $80,000
   +Tiz Shea D   Bill Mott   20   $80,000
15   Bold Conquest   Steve Asmussen   17   $162,176
16   Mr. Z   D. Wayne Lukas   14   $518,326
17   Frosted   Kiaran McLaughlin   13   $176,200
18   Classy Class   Kiaran McLaughlin   13   $85,000
19   Keen Ice   Dale Romans   12   $106,520
20   The Truth or Else   Kenny McPeek   11   $173,500
21   Ocho Ocho Ocho   Jim Cassidy   10   $660,250
22   Daredevil   Todd Pletcher   10   $339,600
23   Far From Over   Todd Pletcher   10   $150,000
24   Pain and Misery   Henry Dominguez   10   $145,350
25   Metaboss   Jeff Bonde   10   $136,450
26   Lucky Player   Steve Asmussen   10   $97,231
27   Bolo   Carla Gaines   10   $94,980
   +Divining Rod   Arnaud Delacour   10   $75,000
28   Firespike   Mike Maker   10   $51,816
29   Frammento   Nick Zito   10   $42,000
30   Tiznow R J   Steve Asmussen   7   $72,000
31   Rock Shandy   Peter Miller   6   $56,000
32   St. Joe Bay   Peter Miller   6   $43,000
33   Task Force Glory   Mike Maker   5   $29,625
34   Toasting Master   Dale Romans   5   $21,000
35   Danzig Moon   Mark Casse   5   $17,500
36   Bayerd   Steve Asmussen   4   $266,000
37   Imperia   Kiaran McLaughlin   4   $171,804
38   Cross the Line   Jerry Hollendorfer   4   $100,000
39   Bluegrass Singer   Marcus Vitali   2   $118,945
40   Hashtag Bourbon   Kellyn Gorder   2   $74,117
41   Hollywood Critic   Barbara Minshall   2   $35,528
   +Pioneerof the West   Mark Casse   2   $14,250
42   Private Prospect   Michael Campbell   1   $138,000
43   Bench Warrant   John Sadler   1   $91,890
   +Ackeret   Kiaran McLaughlin   1   $73,000
44   Juan and Bina   Gustavo Delgado   1   $40,330
45   Another Lemon Drop   Phil Bauer   1   $25,500
46   Tough Customer   Wayne Catalano   1   $25,000
47   Tencendur   George Weaver   1   $24,500
48   Harmonic   Jerry Hollendorfer   1   $12,000
49   Hero Ten All   Jeff Mullins   1   $9,250
+ - Not Triple Crown nominated

Well, we have 15 horses with 20 points going into the top point stakes races.

There are 21 options available for horses to get at least 20 points...and I have 24 horses in bold on the list which I believe are scheduled for another start before the Derby in a Derby prep.

So, there 20 points may not be enough as I originally stated, but we'll see.

[peeptoad]

top tier or "elite" Derby contenders (doesn't mean they would be my top pick for the roses, but just based on prep performance so far)
American Pharoah
Dortmund
Upstart
Carpe Diem
Materiality

2nd tier (horses that either appear a cut below the very best right now, or horses that we just don't know enough about until their next race)
International Star
Firing Line
Mubtaahij
Ami's Flatter
El Kabeir
Prospect Park
Far From Over
Bolo
Far Right
Made From Lucky


3rd tier i.e. "the rest" (horses that would be huge long shots if the Derby was run this weekend, but still have chances to improve and step it up before the big day)
Dubai Sky
Keen Ice
War Story
Metaboss
Daredevil
Frosted
Stanford
Ocean Knight
Divining Rod
Itsaknockout
Lord Nelson
etc etc etc

[Catalina]

I assume you meant to remove Materiality from Tier 2 and only have him in Tier 1, PT.

[peeptoad]

Oops, yes.

[Man o Taz]

2015 Kentucky Derby Points Standings

Rank   Horse   Trainer   Points   Non-Restricted Stakes Earnings
1    International Star   Mike Maker   171   $940,979
2   Mubtaahij-IRE   Mike de Kock   100   $1,400,000
3   Materiality   Todd Pletcher   100   $632,028
4   Upstart   Rick Violette, Jr.    76   $807,680
5   El Kabeir   John Terranova II   75   $620,792
6   Dortmund   Bob Baffert   70   $630,000
7   Carpe Diem   Todd Pletcher   64   $870,000
8   American Pharoah   Bob Baffert   60   $810,000
9   Itsaknockout   Todd Pletcher   60   $288,560
10   Firing Line   Simon Callaghan   58   $530,000
11   @ Dubai Sky   Bill Mott   50   $371,780
12   War Story   Tom Amoss   44   $195,000
13   Maftool   Saeed bin Suroor   40   $630,595
14   Ami's Flatter   Josie Carroll   40   $195,200
15   Stanford   Todd Pletcher   40   $151,400
16   Conquest Typhoon   Mark Casse   26   $430,827?
17   Far Right   Ron Moquette   22   $385,906
18   Keen Ice   Dale Romans   22   $136,520
19   Madefromlucky   Todd Pletcher   20   $150,000
20   Prospect Park   Cliff Sise Jr.    20   $80,000
21   @ Tiz Shea D   Bill Mott   20   $80,000
22   Bold Conquest   Steve Asmussen   17   $162,176
23   Mr. Z   D. Wayne Lukas   14   $525,826
24   Frosted   Kiaran McLaughlin   13   $176,200
25   Classy Class   Kiaran McLaughlin   13   $85,000
26   The Truth or Else   Kenny McPeek   11   $173,500
27   Ocho Ocho Ocho   Jim Cassidy   10   $660,250
28   Daredevil   Todd Pletcher   10   $339,600
29   Far From Over   Todd Pletcher   10   $150,000
30   Pain and Misery   Henry Dominguez   10   $145,350
31   Metaboss   Jeff Bonde   10   $136,450
32   Bolo   Carla Gaines   10   $94,980
33   @ Divining Rod   Arnaud Delacour   10   $75,000
34   Firespike   Mike Maker   10   $51,816
35   Frammento   Nick Zito   10   $42,000
36   Tiznow R J   Steve Asmussen   7   $72,000
37   Rock Shandy   Peter Miller   6   $56,000
38   St. Joe Bay   Peter Miller   6   $50,500
39   Task Force Glory   Mike Maker   5   $29,625
40   Toasting Master   Dale Romans   5   $21,000
41   Danzig Moon   Mark Casse   5   $17,500
42   Bayerd   Steve Asmussen   4   $266,000
43   Cross the Line   Jerry Hollendorfer   4   $100,000
44   Nasa   John Servis   4   $40,000
45   Bluegrass Singer   Marcus Vitali   2   $118,945
46   Juan and Bina   Gustavo Delgado   1   $40,330
47   Another Lemon Drop   Phil Bauer   1   $25,500
48   Tough Customer   Wayne Catalano   1   $25,000
49   Tencendur   George Weaver   1   $24,500
50   Harmonic   Jerry Hollendorfer   1   $12,000
51   Hero Ten All   Jeff Mullins   1   $9,250
@ - Late Triple Crown nomination

So only El Kabeir has a chance to reach a higher point total mark that International Star.

20 points is the bottom threshold with 21 horses being reached since I do not believe that Maftool will be pointed to the Kentucky Derby.

A lot of racing to go with 4 more 100 point races. 3 next week.

Those horses in bold (17) are expected to enter and run in  another pre-Derby race including 5-8

[peeptoad]

http://www.drf.com/news/far-over-injured-out-wood

Far From Over out- hair line fracture...

[Senator L]

Man, the only luck that guy has is bad

[Man o Taz]

Mr. Z to get 60 days off tweeted by Justin Zayat.

[peeptoad]

Dortmund looked great, though he had everything his own way... will def. be one of the top 2 betting choices in KY I'd imagine.

[afleetphil]

Dortmund is a big boy. How big is he.

[The Tin Man]

Dortmund is a big boy. How big is he.

17.2 hands is the number I'm hearing.

[Man o Taz]

Dortmund is a big boy. How big is he.

He's a giant at 17 hands tall and weighing 1,188 pounds

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-santa-anita-derby-20150404-story.html

[Man o Taz]

2015 Kentucky Derby Points Standings

Rank   Horse   Trainer   Points   Non-Restricted Stakes Earnings
1    International Star   Mike Maker   171   $940,979
2   Dortmund   Bob Baffert   170   $1,230,000
3   Carpe Diem   Todd Pletcher   164   $1,470,000
4   Frosted   Kiaran McLaughlin   113   $776,200
5   Mubtaahij-IRE   Mike de Kock   100   $1,400,000
6   Materiality   Todd Pletcher   100   $632,028
7   El Kabeir   John Terranova II   95   $720,792
8   Upstart   Rick Violette, Jr.    76   $807,680
9   American Pharoah   Bob Baffert   60   $810,000
10   Itsaknockout   Todd Pletcher   60   $288,560
11   Firing Line   Simon Callaghan   58   $530,000
12   Danzig Moon   Mark Casse   45   $217,500
13   War Story   Tom Amoss   44   $195,000
14   Tencendur   George Weaver   41   $224,500
15   Maftool   Saeed bin Suroor   40   $630,595
16   One Lucky Dane   Bob Baffert   40   $200,000
17   Ami's Flatter   Josie Carroll   40   $195,200
18   Stanford   Todd Pletcher   40   $151,400
19   Ocho Ocho Ocho   Jim Cassidy   30   $760,250
20   Bolo   Carla Gaines   30   $214,980
21   Prospect Park   Cliff Sise Jr.   30   $130,000
22   Conquest Typhoon   Mark Casse   26   $430,827
23   Far Right   Ron Moquette   22   $385,906
24   Keen Ice   Dale Romans   22   $136,520
25   Daredevil   Todd Pletcher   20   $389,600
26   Madefromlucky   Todd Pletcher   20   $150,000
27   Tiz Shea D   Bill Mott   20   $110,000
28   Frammento   Nick Zito   20   $92,800
29   Bold Conquest   Steve Asmussen   17   $162,176
30   Mr. Z   D. Wayne Lukas   14   $525,826
31   Classy Class   Kiaran McLaughlin   13   $115,000
32   The Truth or Else   Kenny McPeek   11   $173,500
33   Pain and Misery   Henry Dominguez   10   $145,350
34   Metaboss   Jeff Bonde   10   $136,450
35   Divining Rod   Arnaud Delacour   10   $75,000
36   Firespike   Mike Maker   10   $51,816
37   Tiznow R J   Steve Asmussen   7   $72,000
38   Rock Shandy   Peter Miller   6   $56,000
39   St. Joe Bay   Peter Miller   6   $50,500
40   Toasting Master   Dale Romans   5   $31,000
41   Task Force Glory   Mike Maker   5   $29,625
42   Bayerd   Steve Asmussen   4   $266,000
43   Cross the Line   Jerry Hollendorfer   4   $120,000
44   Nasa   John Servis   4   $40,000
45   Bluegrass Singer   Marcus Vitali   2   $118,945
46   Juan and Bina   Gustavo Delgado   1   $40,330
47   Another Lemon Drop   Phil Bauer   1   $25,500
48   Tough Customer   Wayne Catalano   1   $25,000
49   Harmonic   Jerry Hollendorfer   1   $12,000
50   Hero Ten All   Jeff Mullins   1   $9,250

[Man o Taz]

We'll see who decides to opt against the Kentucky Derby.

I think two horses that may are Maftool and Ocho Ocho Ocho.

Prospect Park is a horse that I do not think wants any part of more distance so his connections said they would play it by ear as well and let the horse decide what he wants to do. He seemed so promising in the San Felipe.

Stanford also looked like he was tiring in the stretch and I really do not know that he wants more than 9 furlongs.

And El Kabeir has to be figured out. I think the connections want to go to the Derby, but if they do something has to change if he is going to be competitive.

War Story is a horse that also seems to not relish longer distances.

I also do not think that Conquest Typhoon will be pointed to the Derby. I believe Mark Casse's Danzig Moon will, though, but Derby fever has a funny ways of changing minds.

Daredevil also appears to be distance challenged, so even with his points I do not know that he would go.

This provides 8 horses who if they defected would get the point threshold down to 20 points depending upon what happens next weekend.

If that happened, the lowest graded stakes earnings total to enter the derby would be $110,000 for Tiz Shea D or $92,800 for Frammento. As it stands now, Stanford would have the lowest total with $151,000. Thus, it seems like the point system has reduce the earnings total to get into the Derby. This could be because of the Illinois Derby and other graded stakes which are not included in the points system.

The potential Arkansas Derby entrants are in bold.

[peeptoad]

1st tier
American Pharoah
Dortmund
Upstart
Carpe Diem
Materiality
Frosted

2nd tier
Firing Line
International Star
Mubtaahij
Ami's Flatter
El Kabeir
Far Right
Madefromlucky
One Lucky Dane
Danzig Moon

3rd tier
Prospect Park
Bolo
Tencendur
Keen Ice
War Story
Metaboss
Stanford
Ocean Knight?
Divining Rod
Itsaknockout
etc etc etc