Started by Dave in TJ Mex, November 25, 2013, 07:25:25 AM
Previous topic - Next topicQuote from: The Tin Man on November 25, 2013, 08:43:05 AM
Seems to me that Baffert figured out why his horses were dying ... being that he stopped using it after killing Uncle Sam, if my math is right ...
Not sure why CHRB wouldn't know what was killing them then ...
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 25, 2013, 11:47:56 AM
The conduct outlined in the NY Times report is outrageous, but unfortunately not that surprising.
And if it takes a federal government agency to police the sport adequately, what does that say about the so-called "leadership" of the industry...the state racing boards, major tracks, NTRA, BC, etc?
Sad. And just one reason (of many) the sport is dying, as Dave and Ballerina say.
Quote from: peeptoad on November 25, 2013, 12:34:31 PMQuote from: Vic in Chicago on November 25, 2013, 11:47:56 AM
The conduct outlined in the NY Times report is outrageous, but unfortunately not that surprising.
And if it takes a federal government agency to police the sport adequately, what does that say about the so-called "leadership" of the industry...the state racing boards, major tracks, NTRA, BC, etc?
Sad. And just one reason (of many) the sport is dying, as Dave and Ballerina say.
I am not big on government involvement in most things, but I do believe that, where non-human animals are involved (that are used as commodities of sorts) the feds should oversee things. I work in research and I can tell you that if the regulatory agencies were not around the animals would have a really tough time of it. And I'm not the one doing the experiments, but making sure that people are following protocol and treating the animals humanely (i.e. I am on the animals' "side", and I couldn't do it alone because the egos, I mean researchers, largely do not think of welfare issues first).
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 25, 2013, 01:47:03 PMQuote from: peeptoad on November 25, 2013, 12:34:31 PMQuote from: Vic in Chicago on November 25, 2013, 11:47:56 AM
The conduct outlined in the NY Times report is outrageous, but unfortunately not that surprising.
And if it takes a federal government agency to police the sport adequately, what does that say about the so-called "leadership" of the industry...the state racing boards, major tracks, NTRA, BC, etc?
Sad. And just one reason (of many) the sport is dying, as Dave and Ballerina say.
I am not big on government involvement in most things, but I do believe that, where non-human animals are involved (that are used as commodities of sorts) the feds should oversee things. I work in research and I can tell you that if the regulatory agencies were not around the animals would have a really tough time of it. And I'm not the one doing the experiments, but making sure that people are following protocol and treating the animals humanely (i.e. I am on the animals' "side", and I couldn't do it alone because the egos, I mean researchers, largely do not think of welfare issues first).
Yes, let's get the same people overseeing the Obamacare computer system to handle horse racing oversight! :HT1:
But you make a valid point, Peeptoad.
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 25, 2013, 11:21:54 PM
Horse racing needs 1 national body that's not govt affiliated to help police itself. Get representatives from all over who know the industry, but don't have a "dog in the fight," so to speak, and place them on a board / commission. This way what's good in New York will be good in California, and vice versa.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:33:33 AMThis will never happen... I can almost guarantee you that. There are just way too many people involved. You're basically asking for some sort of utopian system that is structurally exactly the same as what we've currently got.
What racing needs is not one national private regulatory agency (or federal government oversight), but instead state racing commissions with guts, who would give trainers and vets the death penalty for repeated (i.e., 3) drug offenses. Why are the same offenders (Rick Dutrow being the poster child) being allowed to have multiple violations for over a decade before any significant sanctions are issued?
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:33:33 AMSo, you know exactly how this figment of a national racing body is going to work even though it doesn't exist yet? That's a new one... can you tell me what tomorrow night's winning Powerball numbers are while you're at it?
What good is a national regulatory agency going to do if it just mirrors the impotence of state racing commissions?
Quote from: peeptoad on November 26, 2013, 12:08:33 PMQuote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:33:33 AMThis will never happen... I can almost guarantee you that. There are just way too many people involved. You're basically asking for some sort of utopian system that is structurally exactly the same as what we've currently got.
What racing needs is not one national private regulatory agency (or federal government oversight), but instead state racing commissions with guts, who would give trainers and vets the death penalty for repeated (i.e., 3) drug offenses. Why are the same offenders (Rick Dutrow being the poster child) being allowed to have multiple violations for over a decade before any significant sanctions are issued?Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:33:33 AMSo, you know exactly how this figment of a national racing body is going to work even though it doesn't exist yet? That's a new one... can you tell me what tomorrow night's winning Powerball numbers are while you're at it?
What good is a national regulatory agency going to do if it just mirrors the impotence of state racing commissions?
...enough of the devil's advocate stance since we all care about racing (I assume) and want it to continue on. Bottom line is you cannot make anyone care or make them more ethical. What you can do is ban their ass and make it stick. That's really what needs to change, whether it's at the state or national level.