Started by afleetphil, November 05, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
Previous topic - Next topicQuote from: Man o Taz on November 14, 2016, 01:58:13 PM
I like that Chrome increased his lead on the turn and kept moving forward as he had done in other races.
I also like that while his early fractions were a little quicker, his later fractions milder and more consistent.
What's done is done...Chrome ran a good race. Hopefully Victor feels confident enough to be a bit more aggressive next time out.
Quote from: peeptoad on November 15, 2016, 02:38:50 AM
The fractions (and the early pace) were faster in the Classic. The reason Chrome was able to open up in the Pac Classic is that he ran moderately slower opening quarter and half mile splits.
Following the SA track maintenance prior to the BC the times were markedly slower on dirt due to the addition of sand (there were multiple articles that mentioned this prior to the BC because Baffert, among others, wanted track maintenance to "tighten up" the track, which they didn't do). With this in mind, although the split times that Chrome set were overall were slightly faster in the Classic, the actual pace (not the raw time) was significantly faster due to the slower times as a result of the track being altered.
So, while Chrome might have been able to run yet even faster early on in the Classic than he already did ( a career best race, and faster than he ran in the Pac Classic) had he gone faster he most surely would have faltered and lost by even more.
1/4 1/2 STR FIN
PC: 24.09 23.93 24.47 24.44
Classic: 23.87 23.81 24.76 24.39
Quote from: Man o Taz on November 15, 2016, 09:13:42 AM
And I do not disagree at all that the better horse on the day won and may have won even if Victor had delivered a better ride. My only suggestion was that Chrome could have been ridden better by his jockey, and he was not.
I may not have made my point clearly - I think Chrome went too fast early in the Classic, not too slow and with a slower track and the times this may have tired him out leaving him with what he needed to close out the race in the stretch.
Quote from: stark on November 15, 2016, 11:23:02 AM
It's all like picking flyshoot out of pepper, time to turn the page.
Quote from: peeptoad on November 15, 2016, 11:27:21 AMI dunno. With that photo CA Chrome posted, I'm thinking of writing a screenplay and turning it over to Oliver Stone. Foreign born baseball players are always fibbing about their age. Maybe Victor is really a lot older than we have been lead to believe and instead of preening for cameras the last 70 yards or so, he's really catching his breath. I gotta figure Victor may have been on the grassy knoll in Dallas. Stone's gonna love this.
Quote from: peeptoad on November 15, 2016, 05:31:13 AM
So, you think Chrome could have won if Victor had ridden him on a loose reign?
Quote from: CA_Chrome on November 15, 2016, 04:37:05 PM
1-I don't know when it became a thing for jockeys to wrap a horse up if the horse was winning by daylight,
2-My real point is that people who criticize Victor's ride have a valid point.
Quote from: stark on November 15, 2016, 05:59:54 PM1) You must of only went on Wednesdays and Fridays. In the '50's Shoe did it on Swaps. The point was then, to keep the racing sec. from loading too much weight on one of Tenney's or Charlie's horses. Now too much weight equates to 122 which is right around what most jocks tack. Oh the humanity!
1) I personally watched the late great Willie Shoemaker do it 117 times on Whittingham mounts alone in the 70's.
2) So? Is the point worth something, anything? Can I make money wagering next time because of it? Can I take it Starbucks and get a discount?
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2016, 06:25:47 PM
I'm guessing the point is Chrome needs a better trainer?
Quote from: stark on November 15, 2016, 05:59:54 PM
1) I personally watched the late great Willie Shoemaker do it 117 times on Whittingham mounts alone in the 70's.