Okay, so you spent $6,500 for a stud fee and I was the result.
I waited until I was 3 to try racing.
I ran once in January and stunk up the joint at 4/1 odds in a straight maiden event where I finished 10th beaten some 20 lengths.
I ran for the second time in March and there must've been some great clocker reports as I was hammered in the wagering down to 7/5, again in a straight maiden event, and I did everything asked of me making every pole a winning one, drawing away to win by 2 1/2 lengths in a very good time for the 6 1/2 furlongs.
I've collected some $33,000 in my bank account.
And what do I get in return.......you gelded me since that last race!?!?!?!?!?!
Huh, what's up with that?
Sincerely,
TRIBAL FIGHTER
Race 8 @ Santa Anita today.
If this guy had a stronger pedigree, perhaps they would have seen some stud potential in him.
Because you're a jerk around the barn?
Lani got so many fans that you decided to model your behavior after him?
Stark, did Tribal Fighter change ownership? I saw this happen today with a stakes winner, Royal Sony, who left the Pletcher barn, and now under new owner/trainer he's been gelded. Granted, his performances have been subpar but I think the barn change may have hastened his equipment change.
There was a runner at Belmont yesterday who was 6 years old
and 1st time gelding. I don't get it
Quote from: Zenyatta on July 10, 2016, 12:48:53 PM
Stark, did Tribal Fighter change ownership? I saw this happen today with a stakes winner, Royal Sony, who left the Pletcher barn, and now under new owner/trainer he's been gelded. Granted, his performances have been subpar but I think the barn change may have hastened his equipment change.
That was a great guess, one I hadn't thought of, but a quick check of the records indicates the syndicate Little Red Feather has been at the controls from the beginning.
Well, another romp, this time at even money. The plans are to jump into stakes company, The Real Good Deal July 27th @ Del Mar.
I'm not suggesting any conspiracy theory nor am I reminding anyone that reporting geldings has been an inexact science in California over the years, but when you look at this guy's PPs in a few weeks, you'll see the debacle first time out, then the heavily bet successes the next two times, almost like he's a different horse, almost like he'd been gelded after his inaugural spin around the oval, hmmmm ;)
just sayin!?
I can get it.
No interest in him as a stallion. The offers they had, if any, were less than he could run for as a handicapper. They opted to geld him, make him easier to handle without all those hormones mucking things up, and continue running him.
My guess is a reporting error after his first start. So Billy Koch and Co. got 7/5 on him instead of 4/5 in start 2. If you won't say it Stark, I will.😉
Quote from: curtis on July 11, 2016, 11:28:39 AM
My guess is a reporting error after his first start. So Billy Koch and Co. got 7/5 on him instead of 4/5 in start 2. If you won't say it Stark, I will.😉
Bingo!
We have a winner!!!
It'll be really obvious when looking at the PPs after the three races are in the books. They added blinks in start #2 and gotten terrific results as compared to start #1. And we're to believe then they decided to geld him, makes zero sense. But it does make sense they did everything after the dreadful first attempt, congrats on the noted improvement.
On TVG yesterday, they said one of their reporters asked the trainer why Tribal Fighter had been gelded despite the win. He said the colt was very anxious and nervous before a race, and they decided that the equipment change might help mellow him out...which it apparently has.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on July 11, 2016, 11:40:46 AM
On TVG yesterday, they said one of their reporters asked the trainer why Tribal Fighter had been gelded despite the win. He said the colt was very anxious and nervous before a race, and they decided that the equipment change might help mellow him out...which it apparently has.
And Tribal Fighter (living up a bit too much to the Fighter part of the name, maybe) wouldn't have been the first colt to be gelded for that kind of thing. Imawildandcrazyguy comes to mind, and he was good enough to come in 4th in the Kentucky Derby.
Quote from: Catalina on July 11, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
And Tribal Fighter (living up a bit too much to the Fighter part of the name, maybe) wouldn't have been the first colt to be gelded for that kind of thing. Imawildandcrazyguy comes to mind, and he was good enough to come in 4th in the Kentucky Derby.
All true, but very seldom is anybody gelded AFTER a lights-out winning performance in their 2nd career try.
After a first race where you finish a dismal 10th beaten 20 lengths, yep that's a logical decision to do it then.
And just to add to Billy's coup, why in the world was this horse bet down to 7/5 after that poor first showing, I'd love to know the morning line if anybody has it?
Pre-scratch ML, under "Program":
http://www.santaanita.com/live-racing/3132016/ (http://www.santaanita.com/live-racing/3132016/)
Quote from: Catalina on July 11, 2016, 03:36:07 PM
Pre-scratch ML, under "Program":
http://www.santaanita.com/live-racing/3132016/ (http://www.santaanita.com/live-racing/3132016/)
Thanks, 4/1ML off that dismal performance, I'm kinda surprised he didn't drift up to 6 or 7 to one based on the PPs.
Not surprisingly they found a stall for me at Del Mar on my way to a stakes race....
Tribal Fighter (3-Year-Old Gelding)
Date: July 21, 2016
Track: DEL MAR
Distance: Four Furlongs
Time: 48:60 Handily
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 13/24
Just for giggles, check out the PPs for Wednesday's feature race and guess when he was gelded.
His BRIS speed ratings for the 3 races so far are 61-92-97.
After the 61 speed rating where he finished 10th beaten 20 lengths he came back and was bet down to 7/5, won by two and then went to the Doc and picked up a bag of frozen peas on the way back to the barn :lmao:
RACE 7 - POST TIME - 5:03 PM Real Good Deal S.
Purse $150,000. For Golden State Series Eligible California Bred Or California Sired Three-Year-Olds.
Seven Furlongs.
1 Family Code (CA) 3/G L T Baze 118 R Diodoro 20/1
2 Smokey Image (CA) 3/C L M Garcia 125 C Gaines 7/2
3 Packin Heat (CA) 3/G L I Puglisi 118 D Dunham 20/1
4 Tough It Out (CA) 3/G L J Talamo 120 P D'Amato 4/1
5 Tribal Fighter (CA) 3/G L R Bejarano 120 R Baltas 6/1
6 Boy Howdy (CA) 3/C L S Gonzalez 118 W Spawr 20/1
7 Mrazek (CA) 3/C L M Gutierrez 125 D F O'Neill 3/1
8 Gold Rush Dancer (CA) 3/C L F Prat 125 V Belvoir 5/1
9 Tough But Nice (KY) 3/C L F H Perez 118 H O Palma 20/1
10 Taman Guard (CA) 3/G L A O Solis 120 J Hollendorfer 6/1
Quote from: stark on July 26, 2016, 12:03:58 PM
Just for giggles, check out the PPs for Wednesday's feature race and guess when he was gelded.
His BRIS speed ratings for the 3 races so far are 61-92-97.
After the 61 speed rating where he finished 10th beaten 20 lengths he came back and was bet down to 7/5, won by two and then went to the Doc and picked up a bag of frozen peas on the way back to the barn :lmao:
RACE 7 - POST TIME - 5:03 PM Real Good Deal S.
Purse $150,000. For Golden State Series Eligible California Bred Or California Sired Three-Year-Olds.
Seven Furlongs.
1 Family Code (CA) 3/G L T Baze 118 R Diodoro 20/1
2 Smokey Image (CA) 3/C L M Garcia 125 C Gaines 7/2
3 Packin Heat (CA) 3/G L I Puglisi 118 D Dunham 20/1
4 Tough It Out (CA) 3/G L J Talamo 120 P D'Amato 4/1
5 Tribal Fighter (CA) 3/G L R Bejarano 120 R Baltas 6/1
6 Boy Howdy (CA) 3/C L S Gonzalez 118 W Spawr 20/1
7 Mrazek (CA) 3/C L M Gutierrez 125 D F O'Neill 3/1
8 Gold Rush Dancer (CA) 3/C L F Prat 125 V Belvoir 5/1
9 Tough But Nice (KY) 3/C L F H Perez 118 H O Palma 20/1
10 Taman Guard (CA) 3/G L A O Solis 120 J Hollendorfer 6/1
You're such a cynic. ;)
Quote from: curtis on July 26, 2016, 02:50:20 PM
You're such a cynic. ;)
I normally don't hold grudges and the P5 only paid $150 that day, it's just that I hated being out after the first leg, felt stupid for being the only one that didn't get the memo!
All those days I've spent at EMD paid off today. Also the fact that I like horses turning back from two turns to 7f. What an overlay, I had the track feed on the computer going in the background while I was working and when the race began I was shocked he went from the 5-1 ML to 14-1. Glad I thought to put a couple of dollars on him.
Quote from: curtis on July 27, 2016, 07:37:35 PM
All those days I've spent at EMD paid off today. Also the fact that I like horses turning back from two turns to 7f. What an overlay, I had the track feed on the computer going in the background while I was working and when the race began I was shocked he went from the 5-1 ML to 14-1. Glad I thought to put a couple of dollars on him.
Big Congtrat$
Gold Rush Dancer Flavien Prat 30.20 11.00 6.20