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Racing => Racing => Topic started by: Dave in TJ Mex on December 19, 2013, 12:49:59 PM

Title: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: Dave in TJ Mex on December 19, 2013, 12:49:59 PM
. . . trashing Wise Dan and his ownership while lobbying for Mucho Macho Man as HOY.

http://www.drf.com/news/andrew-beyer-mucho-macho-man-deserving-horse-year-title
Title: Re: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: Senator L on December 19, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
Andy always was and always will be a dirt guy. Wise Dan continues to be doubted
Title: Re: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: peeptoad on December 20, 2013, 04:34:41 AM
Quote from: Senator L on December 19, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
Andy always was and always will be a dirt guy. Wise Dan continues to be doubted

Most definitely, despite the fact that he dominated his division more thoroughly than any dirt horse did in theirs this year.
Title: Re: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: Man o Taz on December 23, 2013, 01:56:41 PM
If Mucho Macho Man's connections wanted an Eclipse award for HOTY he should have run in and won the Clark Handicap.

Heck, I do not even think he deserves the champion older horse award. That should go to Game On Dude.

The fact remains he raced sporadically this year. It was because of his health. And his connections deserve all the credit in the world for getting him right for the last two races of the season.

BUT - he was healthy after the BC Classic - and they opted to skip the Clark Handicap. How does Mr. Beyer account for this?

Wise Dan, on the other hand, may have started a bit late in April, but he ran in 5 G1 races and two G2 races and he was 7-6-1-0 which is pretty darn good.

Mucho Macho Man on the other hand still ran in 5 races, 3 G1s and two ungraded stakes. He won two stakes at the end of the year. HOTY?

No. Not in my book. I like the horse a lot. He was one of my Derby horses when he was three. And I love that he is still racing. But either you do something spectacular with your wins or you race when you can. And he did not do either in my book.

Title: Re: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: Dave in TJ Mex on December 23, 2013, 02:07:01 PM
Quote from: Man o Taz on December 23, 2013, 01:56:41 PM
If Mucho Macho Man's connections wanted an Eclipse award for HOTY he should have run in and won the Clark Handicap.

Heck, I do not even think he deserves the champion older horse award. That should go to Game On Dude.

The fact remains he raced sporadically this year. It was because of his health. And his connections deserve all the credit in the world for getting him right for the last two races of the season.

BUT - he was healthy after the BC Classic - and they opted to skip the Clark Handicap. How does Mr. Beyer account for this?

Wise Dan, on the other hand, may have started a bit late in April, but he ran in 5 G1 races and two G2 races and he was 7-6-1-0 which is pretty darn good.

Mucho Macho Man on the other hand still ran in 5 races, 3 G1s and two ungraded stakes. He won two stakes at the end of the year. HOTY?

No. Not in my book. I like the horse a lot. He was one of my Derby horses when he was three. And I love that he is still racing. But either you do something spectacular with your wins or you race when you can. And he did not do either in my book.

I agree.

If MMM is HOY, it simply means that whoever wins the BCC is automatically HOY. 

That's not how it should be.
Title: Re: Andy Beyer stirs the pot. . . .
Post by: Raven on December 23, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
I'm a BIG MMM fun and i think he is a top three older horse. That said,i can't see him as HOTY!

Who gets it?  I don't really care.