Zen, Jjacks1, and racing fans across the nation, I want to ask you which racetrack do you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup after 2014, between 2015 and 2030?
(Hint1: It has be a major racetrack that has both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course)
(Hint2: It has to be on a racetrack that has live horse racing during the end of October or the first week of November)
Here's a look at my list:
2015 Del Mar Fall Meet
2016 Belmont Park
2017 Churchill Downs
2018 Woodbine (Canada)
2019 Keeneland
2020 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2021 Churchill Downs
2022 Belmont Park
2023 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2024 Gulfstream Park
2025 Belmont Park
2026 Laurel Park
2027 Belmont Park
2028 Churchill Downs
2029 Gulfstream Park
2030 Del Mar Fall Meet
Santa Anita ...
Aside from its proximity to me ... I feel that championships should be optimum weather places. I don't want to know who the best mudder is ... I want to know who the best racehorse is.
Sick of so many big races being run in slop.
JMHO
Churchill Downs.
It would be nice to see if horses can still run when there is weather. Kinda like football players out on the Frozen Tundra at Green Bay! Go outside! Man up and do it! Even in the rain! ;D
JMHO also Tin Man! :girlkiss:
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 21, 2013, 08:38:42 AM
Zen, Jjacks1, and racing fans across the nation, I want to ask you which racetrack do you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup after 2014, between 2015 and 2030?
(Hint1: It has be a major racetrack that has both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course)
(Hint2: It has to be on a racetrack that has live horse racing during the end of October or the first week of November)
(Hint 3: It should be different racetracks besides the Santa Anita Autumn Meet between 2015-2019)
(Hint 4: It should be different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet between 2020-2030)
Here's a look at my list:
2015 Del Mar Fall Meet
2016 Belmont Park
2017 Churchill Downs
2018 Woodbine (Canada)
2019 Keeneland
2020 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2021 Churchill Downs
2022 Belmont Park
2023 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2024 Gulfstream Park
2025 Belmont Park
2026 Laurel Park
2027 Belmont Park
2028 Churchill Downs
2029 Gulfstream Park
2030 Del Mar Fall Meet
Jjacks1 and Tin Man, both of you have a little bit of misunderstanding about my question, which of the racetracks do you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup between 2015-2030? It should be different major racetracks that have both the main track and a turf course, and these racetracks that have live horse racing during the final week of October and the first week of November for the Breeders' Cup between 2015-2030? Create you own list of different major racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup between 2015 and 2030. (Hint: it should be on a major racetrack that has both the dirt track and a turf course, or a synthetic sand track and a turf course)
2015 Del Mar Fall Meet : the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2016 Belmont Park
2017 Churchill Downs
2018 Woodbine (Canada)
2019 Keeneland: the facility is too small, replace with Churchill
2020 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2021 Churchill Downs
2022 Belmont Park
2023 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2024 Gulfstream Park: when Stronach "remodelled" Gulfstream, the grandstand became too small to accommodate a BC crowd
2025 Belmont Park
2026 Laurel Park: the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2027 Belmont Park
2028 Churchill Downs
2029 Gulfstream Park: see above
2030 Del Mar Fall Meet: see above
Now, if Gulfstream, Keeneland or Laurel could miraculously undergo some necessary rebuilding, then they could be considered (although IMHO lovely and historic Keeneland should be left just the way it is). I doubt that could happen with Del Mar, since it's on property owned by the state and used for many other purposes throughout the year. That will likely restrict any major construction.
Quote from: The Tin Man on November 21, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
Santa Anita ...
Aside from its proximity to me ... I feel that championships should be optimum weather places. I don't want to know who the best mudder is ... I want to know who the best racehorse is.
Sick of so many big races being run in slop.
JMHO
It also rains in southern California!!
A good horse supposed to run even on broken glass! And win.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on November 21, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
2015 Del Mar Fall Meet : the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2016 Belmont Park
2017 Churchill Downs
2018 Woodbine (Canada)
2019 Keeneland: the facility is too small, replace with Churchill
2020 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2021 Churchill Downs
2022 Belmont Park
2023 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2024 Gulfstream Park: when Stronach "remodelled" Gulfstream, the grandstand became too small to accommodate a BC crowd
2025 Belmont Park
2026 Laurel Park: the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2027 Belmont Park
2028 Churchill Downs
2029 Gulfstream Park: see above
2030 Del Mar Fall Meet: see above
Now, if Gulfstream, Keeneland or Laurel could miraculously undergo some necessary rebuilding, then they could be considered (although IMHO lovely and historic Keeneland should be left just the way it is). I doubt that could happen with Del Mar, since it's on property owned by the state and used for many other purposes throughout the year. That will likely restrict any major construction.
Baroque, are there any racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet and the Santa Anita Fall Meet that you want to host the Breeders' Cup in 2015, what about Woodbine?
I agree with Baroque, the BC would have to be a few fries short of a happy meal to have Del Mar host the event. It is FAR too small of a track, the turf track in particular is lilliputian, not nearly wide enough, and the stands simply couldn't accommodate the throng.
This being said, opening day does accommodate at least 40K, but very uncomfortably, there's always lines to the bathrooms and forget about grabbing a drink. If it's that bad with 40K, think of the lunacy with 60K there. There would probably be a bigger crowd than at SA, I wouldn't doubt it. It's a smaller metro area and the locals support their local venues with great enthusiasm.
Still, my major concern above all would be the turf track. I had heard they wanted to widen it but how, I can't figure out.
I understand Stronach, who also owns San Luis Rey Downs, is doing some major reconstruction and expansion there. I know he wants to turn it into a world-class training facility with much needed stables, but whether he's got something else up his sleeve, who knows?
Woodbine is to small now. They use the whole first floor for the casino. I would like it to go back to churchill they support racing the best
Quote from: Senator L on November 21, 2013, 08:57:27 PM
Woodbine is to small now. They use the whole first floor for the casino. I would like it to go back to churchill they support racing the best
:girlkiss:
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 21, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
I agree with Baroque, the BC would have to be a few fries short of a happy meal to have Del Mar host the event. It is FAR too small of a track, the turf track in particular is lilliputian, not nearly wide enough, and the stands simply couldn't accommodate the throng.
This being said, opening day does accommodate at least 40K, but very uncomfortably, there's always lines to the bathrooms and forget about grabbing a drink. If it's that bad with 40K, think of the lunacy with 60K there. There would probably be a bigger crowd than at SA, I wouldn't doubt it. It's a smaller metro area and the locals support their local venues with great enthusiasm.
Still, my major concern above all would be the turf track. I had heard they wanted to widen it but how, I can't figure out.
Zen, we cannot have four years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same racetrack during that period, because that doesn't give much variety to the horse racing fans across the nation. Imagine if they put the Breeders' Cup at Churchill Downs in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, racing fans will get tired of it. Two or three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in the same location, that's enough for me and some of the horse racing fans across the nation. If they go for four, it's way too much, and it doesn't give much variety to the horse racing fans. In my opinion, Breeders' Cup needs to be in different racetracks every year, or two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in one particular major racetrack.
I didn't know that about Woodbine, Senator L. That's a shame, because that's a nice, big track, with a spacious turf course that can accommodate big fields. I also think their synthetic is well-regarded as a fair, safe surface...one that would be good to have if the BC had the sort of rain that Monmouth got.
Well, shoot...that pretty much limits the BC's choices to Belmont, Churchill and Santa Anita.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on November 22, 2013, 11:27:03 AM
I didn't know that about Woodbine, Senator L. That's a shame, because that's a nice, big track, with a spacious turf course that can accommodate big fields. I also think their synthetic is well-regarded as a fair, safe surface...one that would be good to have if the BC had the sort of rain that Monmouth got.
Well, shoot...that pretty much limits the BC's choices to Belmont, Churchill and Santa Anita.
Baroque, which racetrack do you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup in 2015 instead of the Santa Anita Autumn Meet?
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 22, 2013, 11:15:57 AM
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 21, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
I agree with Baroque, the BC would have to be a few fries short of a happy meal to have Del Mar host the event. It is FAR too small of a track, the turf track in particular is lilliputian, not nearly wide enough, and the stands simply couldn't accommodate the throng.
This being said, opening day does accommodate at least 40K, but very uncomfortably, there's always lines to the bathrooms and forget about grabbing a drink. If it's that bad with 40K, think of the lunacy with 60K there. There would probably be a bigger crowd than at SA, I wouldn't doubt it. It's a smaller metro area and the locals support their local venues with great enthusiasm.
Still, my major concern above all would be the turf track. I had heard they wanted to widen it but how, I can't figure out.
Zen, we cannot have four years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same racetrack during that period, because that doesn't give much variety to the horse racing fans across the nation. Imagine if they put the Breeders' Cup at Churchill Downs in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, racing fans will get tired of it. Two or three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in the same location, that's enough for me and some of the horse racing fans across the nation. If they go for four, it's way too much, and it doesn't give much variety to the horse racing fans. In my opinion, Breeders' Cup needs to be in different racetracks every year, or two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in one particular major racetrack.
Just as in the other thread, I'm not sure what you are responding to in my post.
Zen, what I am trying to say is; in my opinion, I don't support on the move of having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships in the same racetrack. Because it has no variety for horse racing fans and four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in the same location is just way too much for the horse racing fans. Imagine if we have the Breeders' Cup races to be run at Churchill Downs for four consecutive years between 2015 and 2018, many horse racing fans will get tired of it, and they think it's a lack of variety because these fans wanted the Breeders' Cup to be held in different racetracks every year. I want to ask Baroque, are there any other places beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet that he prefers to choose for the Breeders' Cup in 2015?
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 22, 2013, 07:38:37 PM
Zen, what I am trying to say is; in my opinion, I don't support on the move of having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships in the same racetrack. Because it has no variety for horse racing fans and four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup in the same location is just way too much for the horse racing fans. Imagine if we have the Breeders' Cup races to be run at Churchill Downs for four consecutive years between 2015 and 2018, many horse racing fans will get tired of it, and they think it's a lack of variety because these fans wanted the Breeders' Cup to be held in different racetracks every year. I want to ask Baroque, are there any other places beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet that he prefers to choose for the Breeders' Cup in 2015?
It's pretty obvious that people were just taking your list and scratching out the tracks that don't have facilities capable of hosting right now. Just take your list and rearrange it in some random order, then. For 2015, I'd say just host it anywhere but Santa Anita so that it retains its legitimacy and doesn't turn into the SoCal regional championships.
In my unbiased opinion, the BC should be run every year in Chicago. Dirt races at Hawthorne, turf races at Arlington. Between the two tracks, they can handle the crowds.
Weather here is always great in early November. What can go wrong? ;D
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on November 21, 2013, 03:50:59 PM
2015 Del Mar Fall Meet : the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2016 Belmont Park
2017 Churchill Downs
2018 Woodbine (Canada)
2019 Keeneland: the facility is too small, replace with Churchill
2020 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2021 Churchill Downs
2022 Belmont Park
2023 Santa Anita Autumn Meet
2024 Gulfstream Park: when Stronach "remodelled" Gulfstream, the grandstand became too small to accommodate a BC crowd
2025 Belmont Park
2026 Laurel Park: the facility is too small, replace with Santa Anita
2027 Belmont Park
2028 Churchill Downs
2029 Gulfstream Park: see above
2030 Del Mar Fall Meet: see above
Now, if Gulfstream, Keeneland or Laurel could miraculously undergo some necessary rebuilding, then they could be considered (although IMHO lovely and historic Keeneland should be left just the way it is). I doubt that could happen with Del Mar, since it's on property owned by the state and used for many other purposes throughout the year. That will likely restrict any major construction.
Nope, you are almost certainly wrong as to Del Mar not being given serious consideration.
Del Mar is expanding their turf course as we speak and as a result, will qualify for BC bidding.
Its been at Santa Anita a lot. Supposedly CD will get the BC in 2015, then Del Mar may be in line for 2016 unless Belmont and the NYRA get their act together and put together a bid.
In recent years, SA has been the only track to put a serious bid in. CD has played hardball with the BC as to how to split the profits, and I don't believe any of the NY tracks have even put a bid in.
Del Mar is a little small --- 47,000 is about its max, unless you put a lot more people in the infield --- but if nobody else bids, where will the BC go?
Quote from: Raven on November 21, 2013, 03:54:24 PM
Quote from: The Tin Man on November 21, 2013, 01:16:46 PM
Santa Anita ...
Aside from its proximity to me ... I feel that championships should be optimum weather places. I don't want to know who the best mudder is ... I want to know who the best racehorse is.
Sick of so many big races being run in slop.
JMHO
It also rains in southern California!!
A good horse supposed to run even on broken glass! And win.
Yeah, but it almost never rains in So Cal the first week in November.
This year, BC weekend was a wet hot mess in NYC, if you remember.
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 21, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
I agree with Baroque, the BC would have to be a few fries short of a happy meal to have Del Mar host the event. It is FAR too small of a track, the turf track in particular is lilliputian, not nearly wide enough, and the stands simply couldn't accommodate the throng.
This being said, opening day does accommodate at least 40K, but very uncomfortably, there's always lines to the bathrooms and forget about grabbing a drink. If it's that bad with 40K, think of the lunacy with 60K there. There would probably be a bigger crowd than at SA, I wouldn't doubt it. It's a smaller metro area and the locals support their local venues with great enthusiasm.
Still, my major concern above all would be the turf track. I had heard they wanted to widen it but how, I can't figure out.
You do know the turf course is being expanded this fall, right, so that it can handle 14 horse fields, right?
They have 47,000 on Opening Day. If they sell tickets separately for the infield (and put any excess people there, rather than in the grandstand and general admission areas), it would work.
Oh, and you do know that current BC CEO Craig Favel is the former Executive VP at Del Mar?
You folks who think Del Mar is not going to be a serious competitor for a BC in 2016 or 2017 (after CD gets it in 2015) are delusional. Del Mar may be the only track that presents a legitimate bid for it those years. SA may not even bid to assist Del Mar in getting the BC.
Just because you had a bad train trip to Del Mar from LA will not disqualify it from getting a BC.
Worried about long lines for bathrooms and food/drinks?
What are you talking about? You've been to the BC at SA, as have I, same thing there.
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 21, 2013, 08:01:06 PM
I understand Stronach, who also owns San Luis Rey Downs, is doing some major reconstruction and expansion there. I know he wants to turn it into a world-class training facility with much needed stables, but whether he's got something else up his sleeve, who knows?
Nobody is lining up to build race tracks in SoCal in the middle of nowhere. San Luis Rey is too far from major population centers to work as a race track. Race tracks are not all that profitable.
Once Santa Anita can average 5,000 a day on weekdays, Stronach can think about building another race track in hayseed-ville, California.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 24, 2013, 06:28:42 PM
You folks who think Del Mar is not going to be a serious competitor for a BC in 2016 or 2017 (after CD gets it in 2015) are delusional. Del Mar may be the only track that presents a legitimate bid for it those years. SA may not even bid to assist Del Mar in getting the BC.
Just because you had a bad train trip to Del Mar from LA will not disqualify it from getting a BC.
Worried about long lines for bathrooms and food/drinks?
What are you talking about? You've been to the BC at SA, as have I, same thing there.
OK Dave, let's get down to it. What about the infamous Del Mar ice-cream-line scandal of several years ago, which as I recall, you yourself brought to the world's attention!
Forget the turf track. Is Del Mar ready for the ice cream lines?
Eagerly awaiting your response! :flaming:
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 24, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 24, 2013, 06:28:42 PM
You folks who think Del Mar is not going to be a serious competitor for a BC in 2016 or 2017 (after CD gets it in 2015) are delusional. Del Mar may be the only track that presents a legitimate bid for it those years. SA may not even bid to assist Del Mar in getting the BC.
Just because you had a bad train trip to Del Mar from LA will not disqualify it from getting a BC.
Worried about long lines for bathrooms and food/drinks?
What are you talking about? You've been to the BC at SA, as have I, same thing there.
OK Dave, let's get down to it. What about the infamous Del Mar ice-cream-line scandal of several years ago, which as I recall, you yourself brought to the world's attention!
Forget the turf track. Is Del Mar ready for the ice cream lines?
Eagerly awaiting your response! :flaming:
Don't get me started on commercial venues that make it hard to buy their product.
Why, its almost like President Obama getting the ACA passed, then setting up exchanges that don't work, so you cannot buy insurance even if you want to! :chickendance:
That, however, was the old days at Del Mar. From about 2010-2012, they actually had ice cream carts in the stands for easy purchase of ice cream.
So yes, Del Mar is ready to sell ice cream at the BC.
Now if they only sold White Castles!
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 24, 2013, 07:00:39 PM
Now if they only sold White Castles!
Since you brought it up...there is a White Castle - with a drive-thru - two blocks from the main entrance to Hawthorne! Just sayin'.
B-C at Hawthorne! B-C at Hawthorne! :mallet:
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 24, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
In my unbiased opinion, the BC should be run every year in Chicago. Dirt races at Hawthorne, turf races at Arlington. Between the two tracks, they can handle the crowds.
Weather here is always great in early November. What can go wrong? ;D
Not going to happen, Victor. Personally, I don't support on the permanent move for the Breeders' Cup World Championships. It's kind of like putting the Olympics in Los Angeles and putting the FIFA World Cup in the United States every time during every four year period, or putting the Super Bowl in New York every year, putting a major racetrack to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup gives no variety to the horse racing fans. On the other hand, having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same racetrack, also gives no variety to the horse racing fans. In my opinion, it should be held in different racetracks every year, having two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup to be in the same location, that's fine for me, and to some of the horse racing fans across the United States.
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 24, 2013, 07:17:36 PM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 24, 2013, 07:00:39 PM
Now if they only sold White Castles!
Since you brought it up...there is a White Castle - with a drive-thru - two blocks from the main entrance to Hawthorne! Just sayin'.
B-C at Hawthorne! B-C at Hawthorne! :mallet:
Victor, as I said before, I don't support the idea of having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup to be in the same racetrack. Also, I don't support the idea of having a major racetracks to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup, because it gives no variety to the horse racing fans. Imagine, if we put Los Angeles as the permanent site for the Olympics, United States as the permanent site for the FIFA World Cup, or New York to be the permanent site for the Super Bowl, they will be giving no variety to sports fans around the world. It is better to have two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same location, four is just way too much. In addition, it is also better to have the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in different racetracks every year.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 25, 2013, 06:40:27 AM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 24, 2013, 05:16:25 PM
In my unbiased opinion, the BC should be run every year in Chicago. Dirt races at Hawthorne, turf races at Arlington. Between the two tracks, they can handle the crowds.
Weather here is always great in early November. What can go wrong? ;D
Not going to happen, Victor. Personally, I don't support on the permanent move for the Breeders' Cup World Championships. It's kind of like putting the Olympics in Los Angeles and putting the FIFA World Cup in the United States every time during every four year period, or putting the Super Bowl in New York every year, putting a major racetrack to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup gives no variety to the horse racing fans. On the other hand, having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same racetrack, also gives no variety to the horse racing fans. In my opinion, it should be held in different racetracks every year, having two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup to be in the same location, that's fine for me, and to some of the horse racing fans across the United States.
Mchorseracecall, Vic in Chicago was kidding.
And you miss the point that if tracks in other venues don't bid at all for the BC (New York) or don't offer enough money for the BC (Churchill Downs), the BC is going to continue to run mostly at Santa Anita, given that the BC apparently finds SA's money offer acceptable.
It doesn't matter where the BC "should" be; what matters is which venues make acceptable monetary offers for the BC.
I believe one issue CD has in getting the BC is that there is another very large convention in Louisville every year the same week - the Future Farmers of America. Believe it or not, it's as big or bigger than the BC in terms of economic impact, hotel rooms etc., and runs four days, not two. Plus, they're willing to come every year, which of course the BC never will. And Louisville is not big enough to accommodate both at the same time. As big as horse racing is to Louisville, the city fathers are unwilling to risk losing the FFA by trying to muscle them out of their preferred dates.
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 25, 2013, 05:26:51 PM
I believe one issue CD has in getting the BC is that there is another very large convention in Louisville every year the same week - the Future Farmers of America. Believe it or not, it's as big or bigger than the BC in terms of economic impact, hotel rooms etc., and runs four days, not two. Plus, they're willing to come every year, which of course the BC never will. And Louisville is not big enough to accommodate both at the same time. As big as horse racing is to Louisville, the city fathers are unwilling to risk losing the FFA by trying to muscle them out of their preferred dates.
I've never heard this.
But you would know, you are kind of a hayseed with special interests in corn and hogs, aren't you?
Dave, Victor, please give me your list of different racetracks that you guys prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015, all the way through 2030.
(Hint1: It should be on a major racetrack that has both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course)
(Hint2: It should be on a major racetrack that has live horse racing action during the final week of October or the first week of November)
(Hint3: it should be in different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019)
(Hint4: It should be in different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030)
WTF?
As long as Trevor calls the BC races, I don't care!
Ask Zenyatta, she knows more than I do about this.
Same thing with Dave, I don't care which media source or which television network broadcast the Breeders' Cup races, as long as I can hear Trevor's call of all the Breeders' Cup races, that's fine for me. I was very lucky that I've got a chance to hear my favorite horse racing announcer, Trevor Denman's call of all the Breeders' Cup races this year. In my opinion, Trevor did a tremendous and scintillating job in calling all of the Breeders' Cup races this year. Let's hope NBC broadcast Trevor's call of all the Breeders' Cup races next year. Otherwise, in the beginning of 2014, if NBC use Collmus while Trevor is calling all of the Breeders' Cup races for other media sources such as the on-track simulcast network, internet, and Horse Racing Radio Network broadcast, we would like to ask the Breeders' Cup Limited to end their contract with NBC Sports immediately. Or else, if NBC wants Collmus for their telecast, don't host the Breeders' Cup at the Santa Anita Autumn Meet ever again because Dave and I like to have Trevor calling the Breeders' Cup races at Santa Anita . :rhrse:
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 25, 2013, 06:44:06 PM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 25, 2013, 05:26:51 PM
I believe one issue CD has in getting the BC is that there is another very large convention in Louisville every year the same week - the Future Farmers of America. Believe it or not, it's as big or bigger than the BC in terms of economic impact, hotel rooms etc., and runs four days, not two. Plus, they're willing to come every year, which of course the BC never will. And Louisville is not big enough to accommodate both at the same time. As big as horse racing is to Louisville, the city fathers are unwilling to risk losing the FFA by trying to muscle them out of their preferred dates.
I've never heard this.
But you would know, you are kind of a hayseed with special interests in corn and hogs, aren't you?
Be nice to Vic or I may just have to ban you.
And mchorse, what's with the "Victor" thing? If he wanted to be called Victor, his handle would be Victor in Chicago.
Zen, the reason why I called Vic In Chicago, "Victor", is because when I was at TBC, I used to call Vic Stauffer, who is the announcer from Hollywood Park and a racing steward from Northern California, Vic. If I called Vic In Chicago, Vic, people might think Vic In Chicago is Vic Stauffer, but it's not, that's why I called Vic In Chicago, Victor. If Vic Stauffer was trying to be very helpful regarding on my announcing, he should let me go to Betfair Hollywood Park and practice announcing horse racing during the Spring/Summer Meet. I've already send him the email to accept his offer, and the Admin from TBC, Victoria and I both knew that I send the email to Vic Stauffer to accept the offer. But the problem is after I send him the email, he wasn't being very helpful, told me that I didn't send him the email, and pretend like I didn't accept his offer. After I gave evidence to proof that I did send the email to Vic Stauffer on March 16th, the offer that I accepted never worked, and I didn't get a chance to go there to practice announcing horse races from Hollywood Park instead I was practicing my race calls from that racetrack at my home. If Vic Stauffer was very helpful just like Trevor Denman, Vic Stauffer should let me go there and practice my race calls instead of pretending that I didn't send him the email. The following is my email that I gave to Vic Stauffer on March 16th 2013, when I accept his offer:
From: mchorseracecall
To: "
[email protected]" <
[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: mchorseracecall: arrangement with Hollywood Park
Dear Vic:
Thanks for your kind advice. Can you tell me more about the booth at the seventh floor in Hollywood Park, is there any similar set up as that of the real announcer's booth or is that just a room upstairs? Do I need to pay any fees to access the racetrack or booth? At this stage, I may not be able to go everyday to Hollywood Park because I have to attend my lessons in college and I have a final exam at the end of April. I know that it is a good opportunity and great experience for me taking the first step towards my future career, but can I possibly start off going to Hollywood Park once a week from May onwards during Sundays, then increase the number of visits later on? I understand I'll have a long way to go and much to improve on in order to become a successful professional announcer in the future, and I am so grateful for all your help. Hope to hear from you soon about the arrangement.
Sincerely
mchorseracecall
Everyone, Vic In Chicago is not Vic Stauffer, the announcer from Hollywood Park and a racing steward from Northern California, please understand that.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 06:59:41 AM
Zen, the reason why I called Vic In Chicago, "Victor", is because when I was at TBC, I used to call Vic Stauffer, who is the announcer from Hollywood Park and a racing steward from Northern California, Vic. If I called Vic In Chicago, Vic, people might think Vic In Chicago is Vic Stauffer, but it's not, that's why I called Vic In Chicago, Victor. If Vic Stauffer was trying to be very helpful regarding on my announcing, he should let me go to Betfair Hollywood Park and practice announcing horse racing during the Spring/Summer Meet. I've already send him the email to accept his offer, and the Admin from TBC, Victoria and I both knew that I send the email to Vic Stauffer to accept the offer. But the problem is after I send him the email, he wasn't being very helpful, told me that I didn't send him the email, and pretend like I didn't accept his offer. After I gave evidence to proof that I did send the email to Vic Stauffer on March 16th, the offer that I accepted never worked, and I didn't get a chance to go there to practice announcing horse races from Hollywood Park instead I was practicing my race calls from that racetrack at my home. If Vic Stauffer was very helpful just like Trevor Denman, Vic Stauffer should let me go there and practice my race calls instead of pretending that I didn't send him the email. The following is my email that I gave to Vic Stauffer on March 16th 2013, when I accept his offer:
From: mchorseracecall
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 10:48 AM
Subject: mchorseracecall: arrangement with Hollywood Park
Dear Vic:
Thanks for your kind advice. Can you tell me more about the booth at the seventh floor in Hollywood Park, is there any similar set up as that of the real announcer's booth or is that just a room upstairs? Do I need to pay any fees to access the racetrack or booth? At this stage, I may not be able to go everyday to Hollywood Park because I have to attend my lessons in college and I have a final exam at the end of April. I know that it is a good opportunity and great experience for me taking the first step towards my future career, but can I possibly start off going to Hollywood Park once a week from May onwards during Sundays, then increase the number of visits later on? I understand I'll have a long way to go and much to improve on in order to become a successful professional announcer in the future, and I am so grateful for all your help. Hope to hear from you soon about the arrangement.
Sincerely
mchorseracecall
Everyone, Vic In Chicago is not Vic Stauffer, the announcer from Hollywood Park and a racing steward from Northern California, please understand that.
But how do we know that "Vic in Chicago" isn't Vic Stauffer, the BHP track announcer?
Maybe Vic Stauffer is just trying to throw us off by having a second "handle," and trying to trick us by alleging he is actually in Chicago.
Vic in Chicago, maybe you should post a photo of Chicago to prove you are there and not in SoCal.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 25, 2013, 07:23:14 PM
Dave, Victor, please give me your list of different racetracks that you guys prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015, all the way through 2030.
(Hint1: It should be on a major racetrack that has both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course)
(Hint2: It should be on a major racetrack that has live horse racing action during the final week of October or the first week of November)
(Hint3: it should be in different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019)
(Hint4: It should be in different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030)
Not necessarily.
Monmouth Park did not have live racing immediately prior to hosting the Breeders Cup.
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 25, 2013, 11:18:21 PM
Be nice to Vic or I may just have to ban you.
And mchorse, what's with the "Victor" thing? If he wanted to be called Victor, his handle would be Victor in Chicago.
Thank you Zenyatta. The abuse is getting to be a bit much. :)
Sincerely,
Victor in Chicago
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
Is there a White Castle near Belmont? It's important to console myself with all the money I may end up losing :lmao:
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
No, Victor, the three criteria we want for the Breeders' Cup are:
I. It should be on different racetracks that have both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course.
II. It should be on different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019.
III. It should be on different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030.
Victor, please give me you list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015 thorough 2030.
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
As I said before, Pointgivenfan, I don't support on the permanent move of having a permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships, because it gives no variety of choice to have different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships to horse racing fans across the United States. In addition, I don't support the idea having either one of these major racetracks to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup. In my opinion, no major racetracks include Hawthorne, Arlington Park, Churchill Downs, Monmouth Park, Del Mar, Santa Anita, and Woodbine should become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships. Having a permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships is like putting the Olympics in Los Angeles, putting the World Cup in the United States every time during every four year period, or putting the Super Bowl in New York every year, it doesn't give the variety of choice to have different locations to sport fans around the world. It should be on different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships every year, two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships in the same location, that's enough, and that's fine for me.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 01:17:42 PM
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
As I said before, Pointgivenfan, I don't support on the permanent move of having a permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships, because it gives no variety of choice to have different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships to horse racing fans across the United States. In addition, I don't support the idea having either one of these major racetracks to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup. In my opinion, no major racetracks include Hawthorne, Arlington Park, Churchill Downs, Monmouth Park, Del Mar, Santa Anita, and Woodbine should become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships. Having a permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships is like putting the Olympics in Los Angeles, putting the World Cup in the United States every time during every four year period, or putting the Super Bowl in New York every year, it doesn't give the variety of choice to have different locations to sport fans around the world. It should be on different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships every year, two to three consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships in the same location, that's enough, and that's fine for me.
That was a lot of words that have already been said (repeatedly) in this thread and also had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what I said.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
No, Victor, the three criteria we want for the Breeders' Cup are:
I. It should be on different racetracks that have both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course.
II. It should be on different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019.
III. It should be on different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030.
Victor, please give me you list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015 thorough 2030.
Yeah, Victor, stop talking about White Castles and answer the question. :mallet:
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
Could it be worse than the BC at Monmouth seven years ago?
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
No, Victor, the three criteria we want for the Breeders' Cup are:
I. It should be on different racetracks that have both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course.
II. It should be on different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019.
III. It should be on different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030.
Victor, please give me you list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015 thorough 2030.
Yeah, Victor, stop talking about White Castles and answer the question. :mallet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEpZm957jk
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
Could it be worse than the BC at Monmouth seven years ago?
How sketchy is the neighborhood where Monmouth is at?
Because Hawthorne is in a super sketch area.
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 03:15:11 PM
Quote from: pointgivenfan on November 26, 2013, 11:54:11 AM
Imagine.
The BC at Hawthorne.
*shudder*
Could it be worse than the BC at Monmouth seven years ago?
How sketchy is the neighborhood where Monmouth is at?
Because Hawthorne is in a super sketch area.
You're right. More danger of getting mugged at the BC at Hawthorne than at Monmouth, because no self-respecting mugger would have gone outside into the downpour at Monmouth on BC Day!
Quote from: serenassong on November 26, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 03:03:55 PM
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 11:48:16 AM
Wait a minute. You guys are confusing this again.
I thought we had settled on three criteria for the Breeders' Cup:
1. Has a main course.
2. Has a turf course.
3. Is near a White Castle.
To my knowledge, that pretty much narrows it down to Hawthorne and Aqueduct. ;D
(Note to mchorseracecall...that yellow thing up there means it's a joke.)
No, Victor, the three criteria we want for the Breeders' Cup are:
I. It should be on different racetracks that have both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course.
II. It should be on different racetracks beside the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015 thorough 2019.
III. It should be on different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020 thorough 2030.
Victor, please give me you list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015 thorough 2030.
Yeah, Victor, stop talking about White Castles and answer the question. :mallet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLEpZm957jk
Hilarious! Nice memory for movie lines you have!
Zen, Jjacks1, and everybody in this forum, the only time that the Breeders' Cup was held outside of the United States was back in 1996, when the event was held at Woodbine Racetrack in Canada. When I was at TBC, I asked Baroque is there a possibility that the Breeders' Cup Limited can host the Breeders' Cup World Championships outside of the United States for the second time in the future, and he said yes. So,what do you think, is there a possibility that the BC Limited can host the Breeders' Cup World Championships outside of the United States, for the second time in the future? If so, why? If not, why not?
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 01:09:05 PM
Victor, please give me you list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup from 2015 thorough 2030.
Yeah, Victor, stop talking about White Castles and answer the question. :mallet:
First of all, David, cut me some slack here. I am trying to answer the "fookin" question, but it's difficult because this has become the most convoluted discussion thread in the history of the World Wide Webs. ??? Each reply has so many replies in it, I don't have a clue of who said what.
I
think the question is: I'm supposed to name the racetrack I want to host the BC every year from 2015 through 2030. I've got 2015 done - Yonkers Raceway. As soon as I've got the rest, I'll get back to you. ::)
Sincerely,
Victor
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 07:19:39 PM
First of all, David, cut me some slack here. I am trying to answer the "fookin" question, but it's difficult because this has become the most convoluted discussion thread in the history of the World Wide Webs. ??? Each reply has so many replies in it, I don't have a clue of who said what.
I think the question is: I'm supposed to name the racetrack I want to host the BC every year from 2015 through 2030. I've got 2015 done - Yonkers Raceway. As soon as I've got the rest, I'll get back to you. ::)
Sincerely,
Victor
Victor, a prestigious two-day thoroughbred horse racing event, on a racetrack used for standardbred harness Racing only, that's not going to happen. The last time that Yonkers Raceway has live horse racing was back in 1971, when it was formerly known as Empire City Racetrack. When Yonkers was formerly known as Empire City Racetrack, for live thoroughbred horse racing only, the legendary racehorse Seabiscuit won the 1936 Detroit's Governor's Handicap and the Scarsdale Handicap on this racetrack. The Breeders' Cup World Championships should be on a racetrack that only has live thoroughbred horse racing action, such as Churchill Downs, Belmont Park, Arlington, and the Santa Anita Autumn Meet. Having thoroughbred horse racing on a racetrack that only use for standardbred harness racing action would be very difficult and it will be very expensive. Besides, Yonkers Raceway doesn't have a turf course for thoroughbred horse racing, and it will cost up to millions of dollars to put a turf course for thoroughbred horse racing at that racetrack.
FWIW, since I first suggested that going back to Woodbine was possible, I have learned that their grandstand has been "reconfigured" so that the 1st floor is now a casino. So, much like Gulfstream, Woodbine is no longer really suitable for a Breeders' Cup. :banghead:
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 26, 2013, 07:39:14 PM
Victor, a prestigious two-day thoroughbred horse racing event, on a racetrack used for standardbred harness Racing only, that's not going to happen. The last time that Yonkers Raceway has live horse racing was back in 1971, when it was formerly known as Empire City Racetrack. When Yonkers was formerly known as Empire City Racetrack, for live thoroughbred horse racing only, the legendary racehorse Seabiscuit won the 1936 Detroit's Governor's Handicap and the Scarsdale Handicap on this racetrack. The Breeders' Cup World Championships should be on a racetrack that only has live thoroughbred horse racing action, such as Churchill Downs, Belmont Park, Arlington, and the Santa Anita Autumn Meet. Having thoroughbred horse racing on a racetrack that only use for standardbred harness racing action would be very difficult and it will be very expensive. Besides, Yonkers Raceway doesn't have a turf course for thoroughbred horse racing, and it will cost up to millions of dollars to put a turf course for thoroughbred horse racing at that racetrack.
Damn! Guess it's back to the drawing board.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:38:46 AM
But how do we know that "Vic in Chicago" isn't Vic Stauffer, the BHP track announcer?
Maybe Vic Stauffer is just trying to throw us off by having a second "handle," and trying to trick us by alleging he is actually in Chicago.
Vic in Chicago, maybe you should post a photo of Chicago to prove you are there and not in SoCal.
Jeez! I can't believe that I'm actually being asked to prove that I'm not Vic Stauffer (who is a great racecaller!) and that I actually live in Chicago. OK - here is a photo of the Chicago skyline I myself took last spring.
Now...give it a rest, will 'ya?
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Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 26, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 26, 2013, 10:38:46 AM
But how do we know that "Vic in Chicago" isn't Vic Stauffer, the BHP track announcer?
Maybe Vic Stauffer is just trying to throw us off by having a second "handle," and trying to trick us by alleging he is actually in Chicago.
Vic in Chicago, maybe you should post a photo of Chicago to prove you are there and not in SoCal.
Jeez! I can't believe that I'm actually being asked to prove that I'm not Vic Stauffer (who is a great racecaller!) and that I actually live in Chicago. OK - here is a photo of the Chicago skyline I myself took last spring.
Now...give it a rest, will 'ya?
Yup, I've always thought the palm trees in Chicago look great in the spring!
lawlz
Since mcracehorsecall brought up White Castle, I'll add my 2 cents.
Krystal's are far superior to White Castle. White Castles have those pesky holes that look like they were shot full of holes with my grandfather's M1911. Krystal's have a much better taste. Additionally White Castle implies racism.
Quote from: Bookman on November 27, 2013, 06:55:20 AM
Since mcracehorsecall brought up White Castle, I'll add my 2 cents.
Krystal's are far superior to White Castle. White Castles have those pesky holes that look like they were shot full of holes with my grandfather's M1911. Krystal's have a much better taste. Additionally White Castle implies racism.
First of all, I didn't bring up White Castle, Victor In Chicago is the one who brought up White Castle and second of all, I am not a racist, I friends with everybody in all types of ethnicity background, I hate racial discrimination especially the racist comments made by Paula Deen and the kid from the round table discussion in Jimmy Kimmel Live which led to a protest from every Chinese Americans across the nation, which I think they were offensive. Horse Racing is a multicultural sport, and it should stay that way.
Quote from: Bookman on November 27, 2013, 06:55:20 AM
Since mcracehorsecall brought up White Castle, I'll add my 2 cents.
Krystal's are far superior to White Castle. White Castles have those pesky holes that look like they were shot full of holes with my grandfather's M1911. Krystal's have a much better taste. Additionally White Castle implies racism.
....the chain's prefabricated porcelain buildings. The building measured 28 feet (8.5 m) by 28 feet (8.5 m) and was made to resemble the
Chicago Water Tower, with octagonal buttresses, crenelated towers, and a parapet wall.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Castle_(restaurant)
As I said before, I didn't bring up White Castle, Victor is the one who brought up White Castle on this topic. Everybody, let's get over with the White Castle stuff, which was brought up by Vic In Chicago, and let's stick with our topic on different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships of 2015, all the way thorough 2030. :rhrse:
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 27, 2013, 07:14:30 AM
As I said before, I didn't bring up White Castle, Victor is the one who brought up White Castle on this topic. Everybody, let's get over with the White Castle stuff, which was brought up by Vic In Chicago, and let's stick with our topic on different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships of 2015, all the way thorough 2030. :rhrse:
I agree, but you have to remind some folks to check out facts before posting on the internet .... especially when that info can stir up trouble. Right?
TIME OUT EVERYBODY!! :chickendance:
First of all, for the record, I didn't introduce the subject of White Castles to this thread, although I do crave them and believe they are a perfectly appropriate criteria for selecting a Breeders' Cup location. Rather, that troublemaker Dave in TJ Mex brought it up on Nov. 24, in making the point that since there are no White Castles near Del Mar, perhaps Del Mar should not be awarded the Breeders' Cup (which I agree with).
Secondly, thank you Blue Jeans for correcting the historical record as to the origin of the iconic White Castle restaurants, in response to Bookmans outrageous accusation of racism, a claim which, in my judgement, rises to the legal definition of libel. :mallet:
Thirdly, Bookman, as a piece of friendly advice, most of us have learned that if you post something that contains even the least bit of humor, you MUST include a smiley face, or else mchorseracecall will think you're serious and respond with a lecture. :) :) :) :) :)
And finally, as to the absurd claim of Krystal's superiority to White Castle...Bookman, as you can already see, your outrageous opinion has really kicked open a hornet's nest. By the time the mayhem subsides, TRF may not survive.
I realize that in America, technically, every person is entitled to their opinion. But for someone to state publicly that Krystals are superior to White Castles is to stretch one's First Amendment right of free speech to its absolute limit!! :flaming:
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on November 27, 2013, 07:49:30 AM
TIME OUT EVERYBODY!! :chickendance:
First of all, for the record, I didn't introduce the subject of White Castles to this thread, although I do crave them and believe they are a perfectly appropriate criteria for selecting a Breeders' Cup location. Rather, that troublemaker Dave in TJ Mex brought it up on Nov. 24, in making the point that since there are no White Castles near Del Mar, perhaps Del Mar should not be awarded the Breeders' Cup (which I agree with).
Secondly, thank you Blue Jeans for correcting the historical record as to the origin of the iconic White Castle restaurants, in response to Bookmans outrageous accusation of racism, a claim which, in my judgement, rises to the legal definition of libel. :mallet:
Thirdly, Bookman, as a piece of friendly advice, most of us have learned that if you post something that contains even the least bit of humor, you MUST include a smiley face, or else mchorseracecall will think you're serious and respond with a lecture. :) :) :) :) :)
And finally, as to the absurd claim of Krystal's superiority to White Castle...Bookman, as you can already see, your outrageous opinion has really kicked open a hornet's nest. By the time the mayhem subsides, TRF may not survive.
I realize that in America, technically, every person is entitled to their opinion. But for someone to state publicly that Krystals are superior to White Castles is to stretch one's First Amendment right of free speech to its absolute limit!! :flaming:
We don't have either here in SoCal ...
I would eagerly devour 10 of them in a heartbeat were I to have access. LOOOOOVE them both!!!
Delicious!!! :HT3:
Let's stick with the topic on different racetracks for the Breeders' Cup World Championships from 2015, all the way thorough 2030. I want to ask everybody which of the different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup World Championships from 2015, all the way thorough 2030?
Besides me, please give me the list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup World Championships from 2015, all the way thorough 2030, and it needs to have the four criteria for the Breeders' Cup World Championships
1. It should be on different major thoroughbred racetracks that have both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course.
2. It should be on different major thoroughbred racetracks that have live horse racing action during the end of October or the first week of November.
3. It should be on different major thoroughbred racetracks instead of the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2015, all the way thorough 2019.
4. It should be on different major thoroughbred racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet from 2020, all the way thorough 2030.
My vote goes to White Castle!!!!
They should host the BC in the parking lot!
If the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships is held at Santa Anita Park, the Great Race Place, I'll stop on the way to the In-N-Out Burgers on the corner of Santa Anita Ave and Colorado Blvd and pick up some lunch. I have on occasion walked from the track and picked up a burger. I might miss one race, but it's nice to get out and walk. Not a Krystal or White Castle, but a very decent burger.
I usually grab a few extra napkins to stuff into my ears to avoid hearing the track announcer.
Quote from: The Tin Man on November 27, 2013, 07:56:14 AM
We don't have either here in SoCal ...
I would eagerly devour 10 of them in a heartbeat were I to have access. LOOOOOVE them both!!!
Delicious!!! :HT3:
Mr. Tin Man.
I noticed you have a graphic posted with a family that appears to be enjoying Thanksgiving Dinner. If you have any friends in the southeast or midwest, have them overnight you some Krystal or White Castle Hamburgers. Probably too late for this year, but save this recipe. Years ago I tried a similar one. The key is 1 burger per pound of turkey. You won't be sorry!!
QuoteIngredients:
20 Krystal or White Castle burgers (no mustard, no pickles)
2 1/2 c. diced celery
1 small onion diced
2 1/2 tsp. ground thyme
2 1/2 tsp. ground sage
2 tsp. fresh ground pepper
1 tsp. Kosher salt.
1/2-3/4 c. Chicken broth
Directions:
Go to Krystal and order the 24 pack. 4 for lunch and put the rest in the fridge overnight. The next day tear up the burgers in small pieces and place in a bowl with all the seasonings, onions, and celery. Add the chicken broth until you think it's at the proper wetness.Pre-heat the oven to 350ยบ. Place the stuffing in a baking pan or disposable half pan and bake for 45 minutes covered with foil. Remove the foil and bake for an additional 15 minutes to brown the top.
Make sure no mustard or pickles. Either ship well in a foil lined Styrofoam container and usually can reach a major CA city and still be warm. Enjoy.
Fairmont Park would probably be a good place to host the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships. Most real Americans don't care about grass anyway and they are
ONLY 2.8 MILES from a White Castle. Set up some extra portable bleachers and have a fine day of real horseracing!
And after the race, visit the World's Wargest Ketchup Bottle!!!
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone. They don't let me on the computer often.
Quote from: Bookman on November 27, 2013, 08:39:15 AM
If the Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships is held at Santa Anita Park, the Great Race Place, I'll stop on the way to the In-N-Out Burgers on the corner of Santa Anita Ave and Colorado Blvd and pick up some lunch. I have on occasion walked from the track and picked up a burger. I might miss one race, but it's nice to get out and walk. Not a Krystal or White Castle, but a very decent burger.
I usually grab a few extra napkins to stuff into my ears to avoid hearing the track announcer.
Bookman, as I said before, I don't care which television network or which media source broadcast the Breeders' Cup World Championships, as long as I can hear Trevor's call of all the Breeders' Cup races, that's fine for me. Trevor is not only my favorite horse racing announcer of all time, Trevor is also Dave's favorite horse racing announcer of all time. I was very lucky I've got a chance to hear Trevor's call of all the Breeders' Cup races this year, and I was very happy about that. I left TBC three weeks ago, and now, I am only using thoroughbredracingfans.com, I have to watch out the things that I post on this website. :rhrse: :thumbsup:
There's always Mountaineer. Hey, if we've had the BC at Lone Star, why not?
And mchorse, if you reiterate as you response your plea to state which tracks I want from 2015 to 2030, well then, all I can say is, quit taking us literally and go with the flow.
Forget White Castle, Vic. I want a track near a Five Guys.
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 02, 2013, 06:03:38 AM
There's always Mountaineer. Hey, if we've had the BC at Lone Star, why not?
:thumbsup:5
And mchorse, if you reiterate as you response your plea to state which tracks I want from 2015 to 2030, well then, all I can say is, quit taking us literally and go with the flow.
Forget White Castle, Vic. I want a track near a Five Guys.
Hmmmm ... that sounds quite interesting ... :thumbsup:
Quote from: The Tin Man on December 03, 2013, 09:18:45 AM
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 02, 2013, 06:03:38 AM
Forget White Castle, Vic. I want a track near a Five Guys.
Hmmmm ... that sounds quite interesting ... :thumbsup:
Well, to continue driving this thread right over the cliff...the track you want is Arlington. ;)
I can only get White Castle hamburgers in the grocery store frozen, just not the same thing. Years ago, each time my aunt came up from the Bronx, she would bring a bunch up and we would eat them like we were going to the chair, lol. Never had Krystals- and the one 5 guys that I went to was disgusting, would not go back.
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on December 03, 2013, 10:24:19 AM
Quote from: The Tin Man on December 03, 2013, 09:18:45 AM
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 02, 2013, 06:03:38 AM
Forget White Castle, Vic. I want a track near a Five Guys.
Hmmmm ... that sounds quite interesting ... :thumbsup:
Well, to continue driving this thread right over the cliff...the track you want is Arlington. ;)
As I said before, I don't support on the move of having four consecutive years of the Breeders' Cup World Championships to be in the same location, and I don't support on the move of having a major racetrack to become the permanent site for the Breeders' Cup World Championships because it gives no variety to the horse racing fans, which is bad for the sport. Imagine, if we have the Olympics in London or the FIFA World Cup in the United States, every time during every four year period, or even the Super Bowl, what happens if we have the Super Bowl to be held in New York every year? Same thing, it doesn't give much variety for sport fans around the world. >:( The Breeders' Cup World Championships is best known as the "Olympics" of horse racing, and it should leave it as it is. The purpose for me to create this topic is for you to have a chance by giving me your own list of different racetracks that you prefer to host the Breeders' Cup World Championships after 2014, all the way thorough 2030. However, it has to meet the four criteria:
1. It has to be on a major racetrack that has both the main track (dirt or synthetic) and a turf course
2. It should be on a major racetrack that has live horse racing action during the final week of October or the first week of November
3. It should be in different racetracks instead of the Santa Anita Autumn Meet between 2015 and 2019
4. It should be in different racetracks along with the Santa Anita Autumn Meet between 2020 and 2030
Quote from: serenassong on December 03, 2013, 10:28:46 AM
I can only get White Castle hamburgers in the grocery store frozen, just not the same thing. Years ago, each time my aunt came up from the Bronx, she would bring a bunch up and we would eat them like we were going to the chair, lol. Never had Krystals- and the one 5 guys that I went to was disgusting, would not go back.
Yeah ... the grocery store White Castles suck ...
As the song goes ... "Ain't nothing's like the real thing baby!"
Not even in the same galaxy!
Love White Castle ... and for that matter ... Krystal Burgers too! I'd snarf either of them in a heartbeat right now! YUM!!!
If it's important to have a burger joint nearby, then Santa Anita is the choice for In-N-Out Burgers. :thumbsup: