:forruffian:
CONGRATS TO BRI :celebrate:
THE MAIDEN FILLY ROMPED TO AN IMPRESSIVE VICTORY
LEAVING HER CHALLENGERS & MAIDEN STATUS IN THE DUST
:raspberry:
:lightbulb: BRI VENUE CHOICE: CHURCHILL DOWNS :lightbulb:
A VERY UNIQUE DAY OF RACING WITH ALL 2-YEAR OLDS!
COULD THERE BE A DERBY CONTENDER OR WINNER?
:lightbulb: FEATURE EVENT :lightbulb:
''T FOR 2'' STAKES
TALENTED ~ TENACIOUS ~ TACTICAL ~
POST TIMES: 1 PM ET // NOON CT // 11 AM MT // 10 AM PT
RULES ARE ON THE MENU
WISE TO READ EM THRU
BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY
THEN ERRR & SEE DQ
:banghead:
R1...12-8-5-3-2
R2...1-15-9-16-13
R3...4-8-9-6-2
R4...5-4-13-3-6
R5...6-3-5-8-7
R6...11-6-2-10-7
R7...2-8-3-1-5
R8...12-13-5-9-4
R9...4-6-8-1-3
R10..8-1-3-2-4
R11..3-4-6-2-8
R12..6-8-11-9-7
:forruffian:
TIZ OFF TO FUN + FROLIC
TO RUN AT CHURCHILL DOWNS
BUT WILL THESE PIX O MINE
BRING JOY OR JUST A FROWN?
:) OR :'(
R1 = 4 12 2 3 10
OMNIA
GLAMOUR GIRL
FIRE CORAL
R2 = 11 12 9 1 7
CARIBBEAN KITTEN {JOY}
:forruffian:
{NO} RAIN DANCE
MOON
R3 = 9 10 2 8 3
OVER THE BLUES
MISS FIRECRACKER
MIZZEN
R4 = 8 6 7 12 3
MY SUGAR PIE {QrFluffl / AshAvAri}
:puppykisses: + :forruffian:
SILVER
KAPIOLANI
R5 = 12 9 6 1 5
CASANOVA KITTEN {JOY}
:forruffian:
SMIRK
SENSE
R6 = 11 1 6 10 5
LITTLE MENACE (Into Mischief!) {LAYLA! aka Alpha Mare}
IMPROBABLE STORY {Dam By: Distorted Humor!}
BUTTERFLY
R7 = 4 1 10 12 11
QUEEN OF CATNIP HILL :lightbulb: *** BEST NAME OF THE DAY *** :lightbulb:
:forruffian:
HEIR OF LIGHT
DUPLICITOUS
R8 = 4 5 1 9 11
INSTAFAMOUS
TILT
OXIDE
R9 = 2 3 7 4 1 = GOLDEN ROD
TURTLE TRAX :'(
SHE CAN'T SING {O Yeh She Can! 2 CD's}
IVYETSU
R10 = 9 1 2 3 8
BEYOND GONE
SOMETHING NATURAL
OFF THE MEDS
R11 = 1 5 7 8 3 = KY JOCKEY CLUB S
ENFORCEABLE
SILVER
EAGLE
R12 = 3 6 13-AE 12 7 {Torn Tween Top 3} :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
ASTROLOGER
ICECAP {Gray!}
ae) DECISION MAKER
DRAW THE LINE
Here we go....
1. 8/5/3
2. 7/9/1
3. 7/6/9
4. 8/2/10
5. 4/6/9
6. 9/11/6
7. 5/1/7
8. 3/11/4
9. 3/1/5
10. 4/8/2
11. 3/8/5
12. 1/4/5
Good LUCK ALL!!!
1: 5,4
2: 1,5
3: 7,1
4: 4,5
5: 2,4
6: 7,8
7: 2,1
8: 13,12
9: 1,2
10: 6,3
11: 3,4
12: 9,7
below you will read a email interaction between Ruffian & I
I didn't reply to her until today due to the Thanksgiving holidays
nothing has been edited
I do feel that for years many have been persuaded to change our choice of tracks. I know what the rules say, but the rules were made by Ruff with no input from us the "community"
a new year is approaching & I feel if us the participants have more say that we can grow this forum
I truly do appreciate the efforts of Ruff but it's time for some changes IMO
I understand totally how you feel on this
In my defense if you look at the rules
It does say the final decision is RUFFIANS
Wednesdays are a lot more flexible for track choice
Saturdays are dedicated to the *best stakes* races track
Which may not be somebody's personal favorite place 😔
That is when sometimes I have to make a change
But it doesn't happen very often
99% of the time I do make every effort
to go with the track choice of the winner
even if I personally might prefer another
I have dedicated Myself many years ago
To try making this forum the most unique
and most fun of all online contests
And most of all I want my players to have fun
And enjoy participating
Thanks 🙏 for your understanding and patience with me 💗
and here is my reply to the above email:
Mzzzz Ruff:
If this is truly a forum for everyone, I vehemently disagree that you have the final decision. Multiple times over the years you have persuaded me & others to change our choice of tracks
This is 1,000,000% wrong
I don't like this quote of yours either "I want my players" we aren't your players we are a group of individuals that have decided to hang around & play in this forum.
A dictatorship isn't the norm, I feel if you really let us the participants decide the tracks there would be more growth in the forum.
Yes on the big days it's very simple to pick the track, but other days let the winner do their thing
You will for sure notice the change of scenery refreshing
I will be copying/pasting your message as well as mine for total transparency purposes I don't like the "behind the scenes" tactics
Respectfully yours,
Cigarshop
1. 14-3-13
2. 12-20-3-16-17
3. 7-4-8
4. 13-4-16-10
5. 6-2-20-3
6. 2-10-11
7. 9-2-5
8. 16-13-5-8
9. 2-8-6
10. 3-6-7-12
11. 2-3-5-9-8
12. 9-16-11-8
Some BIG fields hopefully will also be some BIG fun. Hope everyone enjoys. Good luck to all.
Lost Springs Ranch
2 yr olds running on an off track, should make for some prices.
1 -- 3, 5, 2
2 -- 11, 6, 9
3 -- 7, 4, 8
4 -- 5, 4, 6
5 -- 3, 6, 5
6 -- 6, 2, 3
7 -- 3, 5, 2
8 -- 10, 5, 9
9 -- 6, 1, 8
10 -- 8, 3, 7
Lost Springs Ranch
11 -- 4, 3, 1
12 -- 9, 11, 8
Twin Spires "Baby Steps" Super Saturday Selections!!! ;D
Is there a Derby Winner in the gates today???!!! :racinghorse:
Probably need BIG NUMBERS today to get in the Winner's Circle!!! :OMG:
It's not only what you want....
but it's....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoEPrbdfmT4
"Hey, here is the story
Forget about the trouble in life
Don't you know, it's not easy
When you gotta walk upon that line
That's why - You need
That's why - This is what you need
I'll give you what you need!!!"
1st - 2 (KD) / 1 (KD) / 8 / 9
2nd - 2 / 7 / 3 / 1
3rd - 2 / 4 / 6
4th - 6 / 4 / 2
5th - 11 (Bayou) / 20 / 9
6th - 8 / 6 / 10
7th - 12 / 5 / 6
8th - 2 / 8 / 7
9th - 6 / 1 / 8
10th - 5 / 6 / 7 / 2
11th - 5 / 4 / 1
12th - 5 / 11 / 10
Good luck and good racing!!! 8) :rhrse:
R-1: 13 - 5 - 12 - 8
R-2: 11 - 2 - 9 - 12
R-3: 8 - 3 - 10 - 4
R-4: 9 - 12 - 10 - 6
R-5: 5 - 9 - 3 - 6
R-6: 7 - 6 - 9 - 10
R-7: 4 - 7 - 12 - 6
R-8: 7 - 9 - 4 - 5
R-9: 5 - 7 - 1 - 3
R-10: 6 - 11 - 5 - 12
R-11: 5 - 1 - 7 - 4
R-12: 6 - 4 - 2 - 5
SCRATCHES PER EQUIBASE
Churchill Downs
Last Updated: November 30, 11:16 AM ET
Scheduled First Post: 1:00 PM ET
Race: 1 Changes Time Posted
#9 Beckinsale Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Auction Fever Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Miss Is Zippy Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 Kertara Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 2 Changes Time Posted
#4 Diamond Hill Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Osaka Girl Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Unforeseen Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 Sequin Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#17 Velvet Crush Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#18 Irrepressible Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#19 Meritaten Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#20 Loaded Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 4 Changes Time Posted
#7 Kapiolani Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#13 Jilted Bride Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Double That Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Kiss Mo Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 Dynamite Gift Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 5 Changes Time Posted
#2 Duke of Carthania Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#7 Autumn Jett Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#8 High Holy Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#12 Casanova Kitten Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#13 Continental Clash Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Wicked Worry Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 Strike Appeal Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#17 Alex Joon Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#18 In Sky We Trust Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#19 Deanos Cape Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 6 Changes Time Posted
#1 Improbable Story Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#4 Chipofftheoldblock Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#5 The Devils Back Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#11 Little Menace Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 8 Changes Time Posted
#13 Banks Island Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Son of Ga Ga Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Big Biz Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 Willfred Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 10 Changes Time Posted
#1 Something Natural No longer a Coupled Entry 11:16 AM ET
#1A Automate Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#13 Devil's Drama Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Carpe Victoriam Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Bahama Channel Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 11 Changes Time Posted
#9 Shotski Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
Race: 12 Changes Time Posted
#3 Astrologer Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#13 Decision Maker Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#14 Speightstown Again Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#15 Speaking the Truth First Start Since Reported as Gelding 5:00 AM ET
Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
#16 No Shirt No Shoes Scratched - Reason Unavailable 11:16 AM ET
:forruffian:
CAT SCRATCH FEVER CHANGES :flaming:
RACE 6
9 6 10 8 7
RACE 12
6 12 7 4 1
Rolling Thunder Ranch
1 -- 5, 3, 13
2 -- 12, 10, 1
3 -- 4, 7, 8
4 -- 5, 10, 12
5 -- 6, 4, 9
6 -- 6, 7, 3
7 -- 5, 10, 12
8 -- 5, 10, 4
9 -- 1, 3, 5
10 -- 3, 5, 8
11 -- 3, 1, 4
Life Guards on duty
Rolling Thunder Ranch
12 -- 9, 1, 11
RACE 1 - 13, 3, 5
RACE 2 - 11, 13
RACE 3 - 6, 8
RACE 4 - 4, 11
RACE 5 - 14, 4
RACE 6 - 8, 7
RACE 7 - 10, 8
RACE 8 - 1, 12
RACE 9 - 7, 6,
RACE 10 - 3, 6, 7
RACE 11 - 4, 1
RACE 12 - 8, 10
Good luck to all!
R1. 12-3-3
R2. 13-1-3
R3. 9-2-4
R4. 6-3-5
R5. 6-3-4
R6. 3-10-6
R7. 5-8-9
R8. 6-9-5
R9. 7-8-5
R10. 2-8-3
R1. 5-2-3
R12. 12-9-6
I didn't play this week because I was busy with other things (holiday and family visiting from out of the country), but I do want to give Cigarshop a little bit of support for what he posted since what he has experienced recently is what I have also experienced on several occasions when winning this contest.
Quote from: Cigarshop on November 30, 2019, 03:25:31 AM
I do feel that for years many have been persuaded to change our choice of tracks. I know what the rules say, but the rules were made by Ruff with no input from us the "community"
a new year is approaching & I feel if us the participants have more say that we can grow this forum
I truly do appreciate the efforts of Ruff but it's time for some changes IMO
I agree with the above fully. I would suggest that maybe Ruffian consider posting a discussion thread about the contest that gets stickied at the top of the forum. That way if any issues arise or, if the feeling is that the contest rules must be tweaked or altered, we the participants can have an area for some feedback and input on the process and outcome.
Being told that you, the winner, cannot pick the track you want after winning a Saturday contest and when there is no other big race day that weekend (e.g. TC, BC, Travers day, etc.) is just flat out lame, imho. This was particularly annoying recently when I was going for the three-peat. I had to argue for the track I wanted and still didn't get it (even after it was originally posted here for the week). I appreciate that some repair was attempted after the fact, but it still affected my play. And, these days, because of obligations and issues in my life not having anything to do with this forum I am unable to play every week anyway (as I have explained to Ruff ad nauseum via email)... it would have been nice to at least get to choose the track I wanted on the rare occasion when I win.
(Back in the day) it used to be that, almost without fail, the winner of SS got to pick their track unless it was TC, BC, etc... in the last 3-4 years the rules either got changed or they are being applied differently since I have been told repeatedly (recently, like the last 3 years or so) that I cannot choose, and the reason is decidedly
not what is posted in the rulebook (i.e. it's not on big race days). Mid-September and mid-November are not big race days... there's not a TC race or even a G1 in sight on some of the weeks I've won, but still didn't get the track I wanted. One reason I was given recently, Ruffian, is that you had another contest on some other forum and you didn't feel like scoring two for that week, so I had to yield and go with the other contest location. I respectfully and completely disagree with that. And, personally, it bothers me that you write a clause in your rule book that gives you absolute power. Perhaps when writing it this is not what you were thinking of, but the effects can sometimes be a little difficult to forecast. Hence, a discussion thread like the one I suggested would come in handy: are you busy this week? Great, let us know in advance and we can help score. Or something like that. There
are other options than simply wielding a power tool.
I have a question that is related to this as well, and it has to do with the rules for Saturday:
Ruffian, when did you change the rules? And what was the reason you did this?...and that's my piece. I apologize for cluttering up the weekly thread, but there is no other area for me to post this won't get buried by 150 million stickied threads.
:forruffian:
Just back from having Open Heart 💜 surgery
As doctors tried to mend my Broken Heart 💔 :'(
Have devoted Mega hours twice a week for many years
Trying to create a UNIQUE Forum dedicated to FUN! ~
A Forum with 20+ Year End Awards Recognizing Achievement
:oie_30232359NUVsTmH4:
I Understand + Empathize re: The Track Choice Issue
And although it is not very often
When I have opted to run at a different track
It has NEVER related to MY "Personal preference!"
It is always been in the best interest Of the day
To run at A track that had Larger fields, Better Stakes
Or, better weather possibilities to avoid numerous scratches
Additionally the reference to "My scoring more than one track"
This Does not relate to "My personal preference"
It was being considerate of players who play other contests
so they did not have to handicap more than one track :thumbsup:
As the saying goes
"You can please some of the people some of the time
But you can't please all the people all the time"
I do appreciate the feedback and will make every effort
To Please ALL of the Players ALL of the time
:girlkiss:
Let's Move Forward With Optimism
Respect ✊ For Other's Views
Welcome 2020 = 20/20 Perfect Vision
:celebrate:
I've read the above reply several times & I do not agree with parts of it, I'll reserve my real thoughts
I stated this forum is a very fun place & the efforts of those who run it are appreciated
that's all....
Quote from: RUFFIAN on December 01, 2019, 02:05:37 PM
:forruffian:
Just back from having Open Heart 💜 surgery
As doctors tried to mend my Broken Heart 💔 :'(
Have devoted Mega hours twice a week for many years
Trying to create a UNIQUE Forum dedicated to FUN! ~
A Forum with 20+ Year End Awards Recognizing Achievement
:oie_30232359NUVsTmH4:
I Understand + Empathize re: The Track Choice Issue
And although it is not very often
When I have opted to run at a different track
It has NEVER related to MY "Personal preference!"
It is always been in the best interest Of the day
To run at A track that had Larger fields, Better Stakes
Or, better weather possibilities to avoid numerous scratches
Additionally the reference to "My scoring more than one track"
This Does not relate to "My personal preference"
It was being considerate of players who play other contests
so they did not have to handicap more than one track :thumbsup:
As the saying goes
"You can please some of the people some of the time
But you can't please all the people all the time"
I do appreciate the feedback and will make every effort
To Please ALL of the Players ALL of the time
:girlkiss:
Let's Move Forward With Optimism
Respect ✊ For Other's Views
Welcome 2020 = 20/20 Perfect Vision
:celebrate:
With all due respect this post does not address most of the points I made nor does it answer the direct question I asked. Also, the reason stated above for track choice is not the reason I was given via email when that occurred, so now I don't know what to believe.
Can you at least answer what I asked?
:forruffian:
{Peeptoad}
"With all due respect this post does not address most of the points I made
nor does it answer the direct question I asked.
I THOUGHT I HAD ADDRESSED IT = IN MY OWN WAY
PERHAPS WORDING MISUNDERSTANDING?
"Also, the reason stated above for track choice is not the reason I was given via email..."
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
UNFORTUNATELY I DONT RECALL WHAT THE REASON WAS IN THAT EMAIL
IF U REMIND ME I CAN ADDRESS IT
WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME SEEMED VALID TO ME
{Peeptoad}
"Can you at least answer what I asked? "
ABOUT??? RULES CHANGED?
RULES WERE ALWAYS THE SAME
I MAY HAVE ADDED MORE EXPLANATIONS ON SOME SEGMENTS
HOPING FOR GREATER CLARIFICATION AND UNDERSTANDING
AND THIS ISSUE WILL DEFINITELY BE FIXED FROM NOW ON :thumbsup:
SO PLEASE LETS MOVE AHEAD AND PUT THIS BEHIND US
TO BRING BACK FUN AND HAPPY 😊 + KITTENS JOY
Again am so sorry 😐 for all this and plan to make it right
:'( MISTAKES HAPPEN :-\
BUT WHEN THEY DO, IT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO BETTER COMMUNICATION
I MAY BE JUST 5'1 - BUT BIG ENOUGH TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I AM WRONG
I cannot undo the past mistakes ~ but I can promise to Correct them in the future
:girlkiss:
Quote from: RUFFIAN on December 02, 2019, 08:17:29 AM
PERHAPS WORDING MISUNDERSTANDING?
The words are all there in my previous post... maybe re-read them? I don't know what else to say so I'll relieve all of you of my company at this time....
Quote from: peeptoad on December 02, 2019, 09:13:33 AM
The words are all there in my previous post... maybe re-read them? I don't know what else to say so I'll relieve all of you of my company at this time....
Peepers please do not leave this forum, I'm pretty sure we can all come to a resolution that will make everyone happy
I feel as do you that on a Wednesday that the winners choice should be their choice without any arm twisting, correct?
I will go on public record if Peepers leaves so will I until things change, I thought we all were moving on
:forruffian:
CigarShop Please Note My Previous Comments Addressing This Issue
Also...Peeptoad Told me a while ago
she may not play very often due to things going on personally in her life
that has nothing to do with this contest
:lightbulb: "THIS ISSUE WILL DEFINITELY BE FIXED FROM NOW ON :thumbsup:
SO PLEASE LETS MOVE AHEAD AND PUT THIS BEHIND US
TO BRING BACK FUN AND HAPPY 😊 + KITTENS JOY
Again am so sorry 😐 for all this and plan to make it right
:'( MISTAKES HAPPEN :-\
BUT WHEN THEY DO, IT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO BETTER COMMUNICATION
I MAY BE JUST 5'1 - BUT BIG ENOUGH TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I AM WRONG
:lightbulb: I cannot undo the past mistakes ~
but I can promise to Correct them in the future
:girlkiss:
Quote from: RUFFIAN on December 02, 2019, 10:32:05 AM
:lightbulb: I cannot undo the past mistakes ~
but I can promise to Correct them in the future
:girlkiss:
OK, I believe you.
I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone. This is the best site for contests. I say let bygones be bygones. Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it. The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took. Down went the contests. I think we have great people here and its a close knit people. I for one really enjoy everyone here. So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.
:forruffian:
:girlkiss: ROAMIN :girlkiss: :thanks:
VERY MUCH APPRECIATED :kiss:
Quote from: Roamin on December 02, 2019, 12:59:15 PM
I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone. This is the best site for contests. I say let bygones be bygones. Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it. The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took. Down went the contests. I think we have great people here and its a close knit people. I for one really enjoy everyone here. So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.
like Peepers said I believe Ruff will listen & you're right about this forum, many very good people lots of good times
I'm sorry some discord happened the past few days but now we can all move on just in time for Christmas & in the year 2020 things can only get better
Quote from: Roamin on December 02, 2019, 12:59:15 PM
PER ROAMIN:
I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone. This is the best site for contests. I say let bygones be bygones. Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it. The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took. Down went the contests. I think we have great people here and its a close knit people. I for one really enjoy everyone here. So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.
PER CIGAR:
Like Peepers said I believe Ruff will listen & you're right about this forum, many very good people lots of good times
I'm sorry some discord happened the past few days but now we can all move on just in time for Christmas & in the year 2020 things can only get better
:lightbulb: WELL SAID ROAMIN AND CIGAR :thumbsup:
LET'S PUT ALL THIS BEHIND US .... WE ARE A FAMILY :hug:
**PEEPERS ... LOVE YOU AND
I HOPE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO PLAY WHEN YOU CAN
I'M ALL IN AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE GOOD TIMES!!! :celebrate:
:happy: :thanks: :happy: