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Racing => Racing => Topic started by: Zenyatta on December 01, 2013, 11:51:44 AM

Title: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Zenyatta on December 01, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
Who knows?  Was I the only one not particularly impressed by Honor Code yesterday? I think if New Years Day wins the Hollywood Futurity, the Eclipse is his. Two G1 over 1 G2 to me is a no-brainer.  And I'm an Honor Code fan, don't get me wrong, his Saratoga win was breathtaking. But since then he's been less so IMO.

She's a Tiger, despite the disqualification, displayed the most consistency over an otherwise mixed-up 2 year old filly group.
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Vic in Chicago on December 01, 2013, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 01, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
Who knows?  Was I the only one not particularly impressed by Honor Code yesterday? I think if New Years Day wins the Hollywood Futurity, the Eclipse is his. Two G1 over 1 G2 to me is a no-brainer.  And I'm an Honor Code fan, don't get me wrong, his Saratoga win was breathtaking. But since then he's been less so IMO.

She's a Tiger, despite the disqualification, displayed the most consistency over an otherwise mixed-up 2 year old filly group.

I agree on both.
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Zenyatta on December 01, 2013, 11:30:42 PM
Honor Code got an 88 Beyer for his Remsen. I believer there was a MSW at Aqueduct run today that was faster. Ok, it was the next day, and pace scenario was vastly different, but this morning the HRTV guys were saying the Remsen was run like a Euro turf race rather than a dirt race.

Anyway, that division is still very much up in the air till the Hollywood Futurity. Looking forward to going to HP one last time.
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: peeptoad on December 02, 2013, 04:57:18 AM
Completely wide open.
I liked Honor Code a lot prior to the Remsen, still like him, but that was a pretty slow race. The 2yo filly race was slightly faster and the 3yo fillies were significantly faster... and there were no other 2-turn dirt races on the card Saturday. Maybe the track was playing slow on the routes, but I think these guys just aren't all that fast yet.
I'm hoping Shared Belief blows the doors off em in the Futurity, but that's not going to be enough for the award (and who cares yet anyway, ha ha).
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: peeptoad on December 02, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
...but seriously, now that I've looked at the 2yos to refresh my memory it is very close between the top 3-4 horses.

New Years' Day, Havana, and Honor Code all have a record of 2 for 3, with one other on the board finish. You could practically flip a coin. I don't think Honor Code gets it since his stakes win was a G2. Havana and NYD both won G1s, with NYD winning the bigger of the two. I think NYD gets it, or the result will be decided in the Futurity if Lukas ships Strong Mandate out. That one is close to the others too, with the only difference being that he's run more times (and lost more).
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Zenyatta on December 02, 2013, 06:37:22 PM
How quickly I've forgotten about by Derby horse, Strong Mandate.  He's won a G1, finished a game 3rd in the BC Juvenile, and if he wins the Futurity it could cinch it for him. Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Dusty on December 02, 2013, 09:33:04 PM
Quote from: Vic in Chicago on December 01, 2013, 04:55:31 PM
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 01, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
Who knows?  Was I the only one not particularly impressed by Honor Code yesterday? I think if New Years Day wins the Hollywood Futurity, the Eclipse is his. Two G1 over 1 G2 to me is a no-brainer.  And I'm an Honor Code fan, don't get me wrong, his Saratoga win was breathtaking. But since then he's been less so IMO.

She's a Tiger, despite the disqualification, displayed the most consistency over an otherwise mixed-up 2 year old filly group.

I agree on both.

As do I...What are the odds on that??
Title: Re: And the Two Year Old Eclipses Go To ....
Post by: Man o Taz on December 03, 2013, 12:56:54 PM
Quote from: Zenyatta on December 02, 2013, 06:37:22 PM
How quickly I've forgotten about by Derby horse, Strong Mandate.  He's won a G1, finished a game 3rd in the BC Juvenile, and if he wins the Futurity it could cinch it for him. Decisions, decisions.

I thought he was off for the rest of the year. Did not think he was going to the Hollywood Futurity.