http://www.winstarfarm.com/articles/champion-juvenile-sire-harlan%E2%80%99s-holiday-euthanized.html (http://www.winstarfarm.com/articles/champion-juvenile-sire-harlan%E2%80%99s-holiday-euthanized.html)
How sad. He had become a good stamina sire, very underrated. :(
Prolapsed intestine through his rectum!? What a horrible way to die.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/bloodstock/sire-harlans-holiday-euthanized-in-argentina-at-age-14/
Maybe if they left these stallions alone instead of shuttling them all over the place they'd stay healthier longer.
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
:'( He was one of my favorite sires.
Straining too much while getting up on the mare, or while actually breeding her.
Don't understand why they had to go into so much detail- simply could have said that he collapsed after servicing a mare. Sorry that he had to suffer that pain in his final moments, R. I. P.
Quote from: serenassong on November 01, 2013, 07:20:20 PM
Don't understand why they had to go into so much detail- simply could have said that he collapsed after servicing a mare. Sorry that he had to suffer that pain in his final moments, R. I. P.
No kidding. Not sure what the point was of that.
I wish one of our former board members from the other board could answer this question (they worked for Winstar), but in the past I don't recall them doing a lot of shuttling. And shuttling from the US to South America is a little unusual for a higher-priced stallion, isn't it?
I expect the detail was to stem a predictable flow of questions from fans and investors.
This is just HORRIBLE news. He was one of my favorites. And to die so horribly and so far from home. WHY did they have to shuttle him? :'( :'( :'(
I have added a memorial photo album of him here:
http://thoroughbredracingfans.com/forum/index.php?topic=107.0 (http://thoroughbredracingfans.com/forum/index.php?topic=107.0)
Pics from his racing days through his stud career.
If anyone has other pictures, PLEASE post them. It would mean a lot to me. Thank you. :'(
Quote from: Flintknapper on November 01, 2013, 07:40:28 PM
I expect the detail was to stem a predictable flow of questions from fans and investors.
Nothing wrong with the farm's candor. I applaud it.
Too much "spinning" in horse racing to begin with.
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
I wish one of our former board members from the other board could answer this question (they worked for Winstar), but in the past I don't recall them doing a lot of shuttling. And shuttling from the US to South America is a little unusual for a higher-priced stallion, isn't it?
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The trend is to shuttle more stallions, high priced or not. Chase the almighty dollar signs as far as they can. Most of the big farms are shuttling now. If you want your stallion to stay home, I think you have to stand him at Claiborne.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
Flying for one race is quite a bit different than flying then having to do likewise then service a hundred more mares than you ordinarily would if you only stood in one hemisphere. Let's see you do that and how you fare as a result.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
Huh? Where in my comment did I suggest it had anything to do with flying?
I asked if there was some sort of underlying neurological damage that might have contributed to HH's demise.
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 02, 2013, 08:09:04 AM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
Huh? Where in my comment did I suggest it had anything to do with flying?
I asked if there was some sort of underlying neurological damage that might have contributed to HH's demise.
Oops, sorry, I was attempting to just quote Zenyatta's post blaming this horse's demise on "shuttling" (flying) to South America.
Quote from: Zenyatta on November 02, 2013, 06:45:57 AM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
Flying for one race is quite a bit different than flying then having to do likewise then service a hundred more mares than you ordinarily would if you only stood in one hemisphere. Let's see you do that and how you fare as a result.
So, it has nothing to do with the flying. Its all about how many mares they service a year?
So sorry for Harlan's Holiday.
BTW, did they ever determine what caused the death of War Pass? I still miss him. Thankful that he didn't die on foreign soil.
Does anyone know the size of his Argentina book and how many he may have bred (southern hemisphere season started in September)? He bred 187 mares in America this year.
http://www.jockeyclub.com/mediaCenter.asp?story=663http://www.jockeyclub.com/mediaCenter.asp?story=663
All of the stuff I can find on rectal prolapse says it is a cause of either straining or trauma, or an underlying condition. None of them mention breeding as one of the strains. It seems to have more to do with straining during bowel movements, or conditions relating to the colon. Or, apparently, it just happens.
But maybe someone with more veterinary experience can speak more accurately on this topic.
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 08:12:04 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 02, 2013, 08:09:04 AM
Quote from: Dave in TJ Mex on November 02, 2013, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Islandgirl45 on November 01, 2013, 06:16:58 PM
Was there some sort of neurological damage that contributed to this? What would cause this kind of thing to happen?
So the horses flown to LA for the Breeders Cup from Europe and the east coast should have stayed home because the flight was too stressful?
Huh? Where in my comment did I suggest it had anything to do with flying?
I asked if there was some sort of underlying neurological damage that might have contributed to HH's demise.
Oops, sorry, I was attempting to just quote Zenyatta's post blaming this horse's demise on "shuttling" (flying) to South America.
I blamed the shuttling too. I am not a vet but it seems to be very stressful for them. Who was it that torsioned right before they were shuttled this year? I've heard trainers say that it's stressful to ship so it makes me wonder if the added stress may have aggravated something. I'm not saying no one should ship horses. But animals of all types, especially when they get older (HH was 14), are much more sensitive to changes in routine.