Name the only horse to finish 3rd in all the Triple Crown races.  Bonus question:  Name the only horse that finished 5th in all the Triple Crown races.

Quote from: Zenyatta on October 27, 2013, 03:16:24 PM
Tiz the Truth won the 5th with some scorching fractions (sub-:22 first quarter); Fury Kapkori re-rallied for 3rd. He got a crappy trip, being taken very wide on the first turn.

Unfortunately, Tiz The Truth dies from infection/.  May he RIP

I can do another.  It doesn't matter to me, if someone else wants to post them too, that is ok.  Someone was posting them, every now and then over at TBC and they posted some harder ones too with horses missing.  I found them fun but then again, I am a pedigree nut. 

 Correct!   Sorry I haven't checked it for awhile.

Over the past 15 - 20 years, the meaning of the Kentucky Derby has changed.  Everyone wants to own a Derby winner.  Most owners would say its because of the historic factor but I would venture to say this is because of the vast amounts of money made by selling a Kentucky Derby winning colt to stud.  Of course the geldings and fillies don't fit into this category.

The problem with having no requirements is, you will have fields of 20+ horses nearly, if not every, year.  Horses that have no right to be in the field, will be there because their owner or trainer just wants to make the walk over or they have stars in their eyes.   

I found the field size of the Derby from 1991 (the first year I could find info on without looking to hard) through 2013.  Keeping in mind that there wasn't an also eligible list until 2013, I have included the fields that would have been 20 horse fields, but weren't because of scratches, in the 20 horse field count.  Out of the past 23 runnings, 14 have had 20 horse fields.  The last 10 have had 20 horse fields and 12 out of the last 14(only 2001 and 2003 weren't 20 horse fields).  The 90s had 2 (1996 and 1999).

I personally don't want to see more than 20 horses in the starting gate.  I would be happier with a field less than 20, 14 or 16 is enough.  IMO, there does need to be some sort of qualification to make sure the right horses make the gate.  They current point system isn't right though and the graded stakes earnings was flawed too.   If they want to go with a point system, they shouldn't just pick and choose this race and that.  They need to have all the graded stakes, on dirt/all weather, be worth something, even minimal points or points only to the winners of certain races.  It would be a step in the right direction.  The thing I do like about the current point system is that 2yos races don't hold as much significance as they did when it was graded stakes earnings.  Obviously a good 2yo should be able to make the Derby based on the current point system but with the graded earnings, they were always near the top of the list.

Quote from: Zenyatta on January 10, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
That said, I'm amazed there were any horses at all in the gate for that race. I believe Hollendorfer felt he was good enough to gather plenty of points in the future, regardless of the Cash Call being a Derby throw out race.

I'm confused.  Why are you amazed there were horses in the gate?  It was a $750,000 Grade 1.

If they are hoping for a spot in the starting gate of the Kentucky Derby, then the trainer should know which races have points and which do not.  They announced what the point races for the 2014 Kentucky Derby were a long time ago.  If all Shared Belief can muster is a win in the CashCall Futurity, then he really shouldn't be in the starting gate anyway.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't care for the current point system.  I'm not exactly sure what would be better though.

Old Friends lost both Patton and Sunshine Forever since the New Year started.

Carrying this over from the other forum.  Name the horse based on the 5th generation horses from their pedigree.

I will add hints if needed but nothing right away.  Though I think it should be more well known horses.


(if this is to small, I will try and get a bigger version, I tried resizing the image but it made it really hard to read)

tachyon posted on TBC and Paca Paca Farm tweeted he died on December 23rd from colic.

RIP

Quote from: Catalina on December 19, 2013, 08:15:23 PM
But, wouldn't it then almost make sense for August 1 being the start of the breeding season?

August 1st is the official birth date of Southern Hemisphere horses.  I don't know about other countries but Australia's breeding season doesn't open until September 1st.

Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 16, 2013, 06:55:06 AM
Wow!  They're all showing up now!  Gee, how did "Mortimer" get in the picture?  Tale of Two Cities must have been on vacation that day, huh?    

That Cindy Lou was a Wonder Woman.  That is some record.  Bless her heart, and she gave the world Cougar to love forever.  Thanks for sharing that info.

I love researching pedigrees and sire/produce records.  I had to double check the Mortimer's Cross foal.  I was getting used to putting in Tale of Two Cities.  Its amazing for a mare not to miss a year.  I wonder what happened to her after she came to the US?  She only had one foal from a US breeding.  That filly, while a winner, doesn't have any produce.

Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 15, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
Checked the progeny of Cindy Lou, dam of Cougar.  She had six foals born in Chile ... all their names began with the letter "C".  The two foals born in USA had names that began with the letter "G".  I'm guessing she and Cougar were sent to the USA around 1970 .... when Cougar was 4 years old.   

http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/cindy+lou2

She actually had quite a few more born in Chile but they still all started with the letter "C".  I just added them though they aren't showing up for me yet.  She had foals every year from 1959 to 1973, with the exception of 1972.  Her first US foal, born in 1971, was bred on Southern Hemisphere time so she missed the US breeding season.

This is just a guess since I'm having a hard time finding out if he ran in the Gold Cup more than once. 

Quack, 1972, Hollywood Gold Cup (1:58.20)

Quote from: Raven on December 07, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
Cougar was a nickname! So it was misleading!

It took a lot of research to come up with Cougar II, but it was fun finding it.