SUPURR SATURDAY ~ 11/30 @ CHURCHILL DOWNS

[Catalina]

RACE 1    -  13, 3, 5
RACE 2    -  11, 13
RACE 3    -  6, 8
RACE 4    -  4, 11
RACE 5    -  14, 4
RACE 6    -  8, 7
RACE 7    -  10, 8
RACE 8    -  1, 12
RACE 9    -  7, 6,
RACE 10  -  3, 6, 7
RACE 11  -   4, 1
RACE 12  -  8, 10

Good luck to all!

[cruzan200246]

R1. 12-3-3
R2. 13-1-3
R3. 9-2-4
R4. 6-3-5
R5. 6-3-4
R6. 3-10-6
R7. 5-8-9
R8. 6-9-5
R9. 7-8-5
R10. 2-8-3
R1. 5-2-3
R12. 12-9-6

[peeptoad]

I didn't play this week because I was busy with other things (holiday and family visiting from out of the country), but I do want to give Cigarshop a little bit of support for what he posted since what he has experienced recently is what I have also experienced on several occasions when winning this contest.

I do feel that for years many have been persuaded to change our choice of tracks. I know what the rules say, but the rules were made by Ruff with no input from us the "community"
a new year is approaching & I feel if us the participants have more say that we can grow this forum
I truly do appreciate the efforts of Ruff but it's time for some changes IMO

I agree with the above fully. I would suggest that maybe Ruffian consider posting a discussion thread about the contest that gets stickied at the top of the forum. That way if any issues arise or, if the feeling is that the contest rules must be tweaked or altered, we  the participants can have an area for some feedback and input on the process and outcome.
Being told that you, the winner,  cannot pick the track you want after winning a Saturday contest and when there is no other big race day that weekend (e.g. TC, BC, Travers day, etc.) is just flat out lame, imho. This was particularly annoying recently when I was going for the three-peat. I had to argue for the track I wanted and still didn't get it (even after it was originally posted here for the week). I appreciate that some repair was attempted after the fact, but it still affected my play. And, these days, because of obligations and issues in my life not having anything to do with this forum I am unable to play every week anyway (as I have explained to Ruff ad nauseum via email)... it would have been nice to at least get to choose the track I wanted on the rare occasion when I win.


(Back in the day) it used to be that, almost without fail, the winner of SS got to pick their track unless it was TC, BC, etc... in the last 3-4 years the rules either got changed or they are being applied differently since I have been told repeatedly (recently, like the last 3 years or so) that I cannot choose, and the reason is decidedly not what is posted in the rulebook (i.e. it's not on big race days). Mid-September and mid-November are not big race days... there's not a TC race or even a G1 in sight on some of the weeks I've won, but still didn't get the track I wanted. One reason I was given recently, Ruffian,  is that you had another contest on some other forum and you didn't feel like scoring two for that week, so I had to yield and go with the other contest location. I respectfully and completely disagree with that. And, personally, it bothers me that you write a clause in your rule book that gives you absolute power. Perhaps when writing it this is not what you were thinking of, but the effects can sometimes be a little difficult to forecast. Hence, a discussion thread like the one I suggested would come in handy: are you busy this week? Great, let us know in advance and we can help score. Or something like that. There are other options than simply wielding a power tool.

I have a question that is related to this as well, and it has to do with the rules for Saturday: Ruffian, when did you change the rules? And what was the reason you did this?

...and that's my piece. I apologize for cluttering up the weekly thread, but there is no other area for me to post this won't get buried by 150 million stickied threads.

[RUFFIAN]

                                                   

Just back from having Open Heart 💜 surgery
As doctors tried to mend my Broken Heart 💔 

Have devoted Mega hours twice a week for many years
    Trying to create a UNIQUE Forum dedicated to FUN! ~
A Forum with 20+ Year End Awards Recognizing Achievement
                     

I Understand  + Empathize re: The Track Choice Issue
             And although it is not very often
When I have opted to run at a different track
It has NEVER related to MY "Personal preference!"

It is always been in the best interest Of the day
To run at A track that had Larger  fields, Better Stakes
Or, better weather possibilities to avoid numerous scratches

Additionally the reference to "My scoring more than one track"
     This Does not relate to "My  personal preference"

It was being considerate of players who play other contests       
    so they did not have to handicap more than one track 

                      As the saying goes
"You can please some of the people some of the time
      But you can't please all the people all the time"

I do appreciate the feedback and will make every effort
         To Please ALL of the Players ALL of the time
                             

Let's Move Forward With Optimism
   Respect ✊ For Other's Views
Welcome 2020 = 20/20 Perfect Vision
                   

[Cigarshop]

I've read the above reply several times & I do not agree with parts of it, I'll reserve my real thoughts
I stated this forum is a very fun place & the efforts of those who run it are appreciated
that's all....

[peeptoad]

                                                   

Just back from having Open Heart 💜 surgery
As doctors tried to mend my Broken Heart 💔 

Have devoted Mega hours twice a week for many years
    Trying to create a UNIQUE Forum dedicated to FUN! ~
A Forum with 20+ Year End Awards Recognizing Achievement
                     

I Understand  + Empathize re: The Track Choice Issue
             And although it is not very often
When I have opted to run at a different track
It has NEVER related to MY "Personal preference!"

It is always been in the best interest Of the day
To run at A track that had Larger  fields, Better Stakes
Or, better weather possibilities to avoid numerous scratches

Additionally the reference to "My scoring more than one track"
     This Does not relate to "My  personal preference"

It was being considerate of players who play other contests       
    so they did not have to handicap more than one track 

                      As the saying goes
"You can please some of the people some of the time
      But you can't please all the people all the time"

I do appreciate the feedback and will make every effort
         To Please ALL of the Players ALL of the time
                             

Let's Move Forward With Optimism
   Respect ✊ For Other's Views
Welcome 2020 = 20/20 Perfect Vision
                   

With all due respect this post does not address most of the points I made nor does it answer the direct question I asked. Also, the reason stated above for track choice is not the reason I was given via email when that occurred, so now I don't know what to believe. 

Can you at least answer what I asked?

[RUFFIAN]

                             

{Peeptoad}
"With all due respect this post does not address most of the points I made
nor does it answer the direct question I asked.

I THOUGHT I HAD ADDRESSED IT = IN MY OWN WAY
      PERHAPS WORDING MISUNDERSTANDING?

"Also, the reason stated above for track choice is not the reason I was given via email..."

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
UNFORTUNATELY I DONT RECALL WHAT THE REASON WAS IN THAT EMAIL
                    IF U REMIND ME I CAN ADDRESS IT
WHATEVER IT WAS AT THE TIME SEEMED VALID TO ME

{Peeptoad}
"Can you at least answer what I asked? "

ABOUT??? RULES CHANGED?

RULES WERE ALWAYS THE SAME
I MAY HAVE ADDED MORE EXPLANATIONS  ON SOME SEGMENTS
HOPING FOR GREATER CLARIFICATION AND UNDERSTANDING

AND THIS ISSUE WILL DEFINITELY BE FIXED FROM NOW ON 

SO PLEASE LETS MOVE AHEAD AND PUT THIS BEHIND US             
     TO BRING BACK FUN AND HAPPY 😊 + KITTENS JOY

                Again am so sorry 😐 for all this and plan to make it right

                                MISTAKES HAPPEN   
BUT WHEN THEY DO, IT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO BETTER COMMUNICATION
I MAY  BE JUST 5'1 - BUT BIG ENOUGH TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I AM WRONG

I cannot undo the past mistakes ~  but I can promise to Correct them in the  future
                                                     

[peeptoad]

                           
      PERHAPS WORDING MISUNDERSTANDING?

The words are all there in my previous post... maybe re-read them? I don't know what else to say so I'll relieve all of you of my company at this time....

[Cigarshop]

The words are all there in my previous post... maybe re-read them? I don't know what else to say so I'll relieve all of you of my company at this time....

Peepers please do not leave this forum, I'm pretty sure we can all come to a resolution that will make everyone happy

I feel as do you that on a Wednesday that the winners choice should be their choice without any arm twisting, correct?

I will go on public record if Peepers leaves so will I until things change, I thought we all were moving on

[RUFFIAN]

                               

CigarShop Please Note My Previous Comments Addressing This Issue
                 Also...Peeptoad Told me a while ago
she may not play very often due to things going on personally in her life
             that has nothing to do with this contest


"THIS ISSUE WILL DEFINITELY BE FIXED FROM NOW ON 

          SO PLEASE LETS MOVE AHEAD AND PUT THIS BEHIND US             
              TO BRING BACK FUN AND HAPPY 😊 + KITTENS JOY

                Again am so sorry 😐 for all this and plan to make it right

                                MISTAKES HAPPEN   
   BUT WHEN THEY DO, IT JUST OPENS THE DOOR TO BETTER COMMUNICATION
I MAY  BE JUST 5'1 - BUT BIG ENOUGH TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHEN I AM WRONG

                  I cannot undo the past mistakes ~
                 but I can promise to Correct them in the  future
                                             

[peeptoad]

                             
                  I cannot undo the past mistakes ~
                 but I can promise to Correct them in the  future
                                             

OK, I believe you.

[Roamin]

I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone.  This is the best site for contests.  I say let bygones be bygones.  Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it.  The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took.  Down went the contests.  I think we have great people here and  its a close knit people.  I for one really enjoy everyone here.  So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.

[RUFFIAN]

                                         

                             ROAMIN        
                             VERY MUCH APPRECIATED 

[Cigarshop]

I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone.  This is the best site for contests.  I say let bygones be bygones.  Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it.  The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took.  Down went the contests.  I think we have great people here and  its a close knit people.  I for one really enjoy everyone here.  So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.

like Peepers said I believe Ruff will listen & you're right about this forum, many very good people lots of good times
I'm sorry some discord happened the past few days but now we can all move on just in time for Christmas & in the year 2020 things can only get better

[TIGER DANCER]

PER ROAMIN:
I am pretty new here but I think Ruffian tries to accommodate everyone.  This is the best site for contests.  I say let bygones be bygones.  Its not good for things to fester and ruin friendship that I see here. I have been on other sites where things got out of hand and it ruined it.  The best was e-ponies who had a gent who ran it perfectly but he could not satisfy everyone and all it took was 1 maybe 2 and that was all it took.  Down went the contests.  I think we have great people here and  its a close knit people.  I for one really enjoy everyone here.  So lets solidify the cast of runners and stay strong.


PER CIGAR:
Like Peepers said I believe Ruff will listen & you're right about this forum, many very good people lots of good times
I'm sorry some discord happened the past few days but now we can all move on just in time for Christmas & in the year 2020 things can only get better  

     WELL SAID ROAMIN AND CIGAR 

   LET'S PUT ALL THIS BEHIND US .... WE ARE A FAMILY 
   **PEEPERS ... LOVE YOU AND
I HOPE YOU'LL CONTINUE TO PLAY WHEN YOU CAN
  I'M ALL IN AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE GOOD TIMES!!!