To start with. Easy one!! LOL.
Which horse is the only one to win the Canadian International three times?
Joshua Tree. ;D
This horse has won five straight HOTY awards.
Kelso- they just don't make them like that anymore.
Another easy one ....
Name and age of oldest broodmare that foaled a Triple Crown winner. Name of foal, please.
Somethingroyal, at age 18, I believe. Can't remember the name of the foal though...
(Secretariat ;)
WarBiscuit
Quote from: WarBiscuit on November 03, 2013, 10:46:35 AM
Somethingroyal, at age 18, I believe. Can't remember the name of the foal though...
(Secretariat ;)
WarBiscuit
Good guess. :hug: Eighteen is right. How old was his sire? 8)
Name the two BC Classic first runners-up ... that placed twice ... both in consecutive years.
Alysheba, Mucho Macho Man
Quote from: curtis on November 04, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Alysheba, Mucho Macho Man
Let me try to word the above question better:
Tiznow is the only two-time
winner of the Classic.
Who were the two horses that came in
second twice in the Classic's history. Name the horses and the years they placed second. They are the only two-time
first runners-up in Classic history.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 05, 2013, 06:29:29 AM
Quote from: curtis on November 04, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Alysheba, Mucho Macho Man
Let me try to word the above question better:
Tiznow is the only two-time winner of the Classic.
Who were the two horses that came in second twice in the Classic's history. Name the horses and the years they placed second. They are the only two-time first runners-up in Classic history.
When I think of first-runners-up I think of a beauty pageant. Medaglia d' Oro finished second in, I believe 2002 and 2003. I am sure about 2003 since I was there, I can't remember if the other time was the year before or after. Gate Dancer, crossed the line second in both of the first two runnings (1984 and 1985?), however he was found guilty by association with earmuffs in the first running and was officially placed third.
Quote from: curtis on November 05, 2013, 11:31:33 AM
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 05, 2013, 06:29:29 AM
Quote from: curtis on November 04, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Alysheba, Mucho Macho Man
Let me try to word the above question better:
Tiznow is the only two-time winner of the Classic.
Who were the two horses that came in second twice in the Classic's history. Name the horses and the years they placed second. They are the only two-time first runners-up in Classic history.
When I think of first-runners-up I think of a beauty pageant. Medaglia d' Oro finished second in, I believe 2002 and 2003. I am sure about 2003 since I was there, I can't remember if the other time was the year before or after. Gate Dancer, crossed the line second in both of the first two runnings (1984 and 1985?), however he was found guilty by association with earmuffs in the first running and was officially placed third.
You're right about Medaglia d'Oro (2002-03) and Gate Dancer (1984-85). Got the info from ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeders%27_Cup_Classic_top_three_finishers
Unaware of the DQ of Gate Dancer. Interesting.
Edit: Gate Dancer .... not Gate Dreamer! Correction made.
Edit: Link above with 'three finishers' .... a correction of the '84 race was made today .... by someone!
Just found: >This page was last modified on 5 November 2013 at 15:14.<
Edit: Well, that means there has only been one horse to be a two-time first runner-up in a Classic. You won!
For Curtis:
Interesting article on .... Remembering Gate Dancer
http://zipseatthetrack.blogspot.com/2010/02/remembering-gate-dancer.html
Here is a question:
This horse broke the record of Cigar's consecutive win by winning his first seventeen consecutive races in his entire career between 2002 and 2005, he is a sprinter, and a turf horse, he can go up to seven furlongs (1400 Meters), but he can't go up to a mile (1600 meters), his last win was the Sprinters Stakes at Nakayama, but he didn't improve in 2006, and his trainer was a former legendary jockey, what is the name of that horse?
Another trivia question:
Name the famous American cartoonist whose horses ran in the 1924 Preakness and Belmont?
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 08, 2013, 08:25:39 AM
Another trivia question:
Name the famous American cartoonist whose horses ran in the 1924 Preakness and Belmont?
"Bud" Fisher
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 08, 2013, 08:25:39 AM
Another trivia question:
Name the famous American cartoonist whose horses ran in the 1924 Preakness and Belmont?
You have to answer the previous question before you post a new one!
I meant to write that after all reasonable trivia has been answered! You don't have to be the one that answered it.
Quote from: Raven on November 08, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 08, 2013, 08:25:39 AM
Another trivia question:
Name the famous American cartoonist whose horses ran in the 1924 Preakness and Belmont?
You have to answer the previous question before you post a new one!
Sorry, but I posted the trivia question while it was still fresh in my memory. Had just read about Nellie Morse before coming here. Saw the other question but .... I could only give a wrong answer at the time. I know which horse
spoiled Cigar's consecutive wins, so do wrong answers count? It was Dare And Go trained by R. Mandella and ridden by Alex Solis. ???
Quote from: Catalina on November 08, 2013, 03:21:38 PM
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 08, 2013, 08:25:39 AM
Another trivia question:
Name the famous American cartoonist whose horses ran in the 1924 Preakness and Belmont?
"Bud" Fisher
You win!
Bud Fisher (Harry Conway Fisher) .... creator of Mutt and Jeff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Fisher
>Fisher acquired a large stable of Thoroughbred racehorses. In 1924, his horse Nellie Morse became the fourth filly (out of only five total as of 2009) to win the Preakness Stakes. That same year, his colt Mr. Mutt finished second in the Belmont Stakes.<
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 09, 2013, 04:33:16 AM
Sorry, but I posted the trivia question while it was still fresh in my memory. Had just read about Nellie Morse before coming here. Saw the other question but .... I could only give a wrong answer at the time. I know which horse spoiled Cigar's consecutive wins, so do wrong answers count? It was Dare And Go trained by R. Mandella and ridden by Alex Solis. ???
Blue Jeans, incorrect answer to my trivia question, let me repeat my trivia question:
This horse broke the record of Cigar's consecutive win by winning his first seventeen consecutive races in his entire career between 2002 and 2005, he is a sprinter, and a turf horse, he can go up to seven furlongs (1400 Meters), but he can't go up to a mile (1600 meters), his last win was the Sprinters Stakes at Nakayama, but he didn't improve in 2006, and his trainer was a former legendary jockey, what is the name of that horse?
(Hint: there was a rumor back in 2005 about a possible high profile match race between this turf sprinter and Ghostzapper, winner of the 2004 Breeders' Cup Classic, but the plan of the match race did not work, what is the name of this turf sprinter from outside of the United States?)
ok mch.. There are more than one horse that won 17 straight races since Cigar.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 09, 2013, 06:37:54 AM
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 09, 2013, 04:33:16 AM
Sorry, but I posted the trivia question while it was still fresh in my memory. Had just read about Nellie Morse before coming here. Saw the other question but .... I could only give a wrong answer at the time. I know which horse spoiled Cigar's consecutive wins, so do wrong answers count? It was Dare And Go trained by R. Mandella and ridden by Alex Solis. ???
Blue Jeans, incorrect answer to my trivia question, let me repeat my trivia question:
This horse broke the record of Cigar's consecutive win by winning his first seventeen consecutive races in his entire career between 2002 and 2005, he is a sprinter, and a turf horse, he can go up to seven furlongs (1400 Meters), but he can't go up to a mile (1600 meters), his last win was the Sprinters Stakes at Nakayama, but he didn't improve in 2006, and his trainer was a former legendary jockey, what is the name of that horse?
(Hint: there was a rumor back in 2005 about a possible high profile match race between this turf sprinter and Ghostzapper, winner of the 2004 Breeders' Cup Classic, but the plan of the match race did not work, what is the name of this turf sprinter from outside of the United States?)
MCH, I knew it was the wrong answer; said as much in my post (see above in bold print). I didn't mean to dismiss your trivia question by submitting another one before someone answered yours. I tried to explain that.
Your question is a very good one, but, sadly, I'm not able to answer it. I could only remember the horse that spoiled his winning record. Forgive me, please.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 09, 2013, 09:21:21 AM
MCH, I knew it was the wrong answer; said as much in my post (see above in bold print). I didn't mean to dismiss your trivia question by submitting another one before someone answered yours. I tried to explain that.
Your question is a very good one, but, sadly, I'm not able to answer it. I could only remember the horse that spoiled his winning record. Forgive me, please.
My trivia question is:
This horse broke the record of Cigar's consecutive win by winning his first seventeen consecutive races in his entire career between 2002 and 2005, he is a sprinter, and a turf horse, he can go up to seven furlongs (1400 Meters), but he can't go up to a mile (1600 meters), his last win was the Sprinters Stakes at Nakayama, but he didn't improve in 2006, and his trainer was a former legendary jockey, what is the name of that horse?
(Hint: there was a rumor back in 2005 about a possible high profile match race between this turf sprinter and Ghostzapper, winner of the 2004 Breeders' Cup Classic, but the plan of the match race did not work, what is the name of this turf sprinter from outside of the United States?)
Second hint to my trivia question, the name of that horse is:
S_ _ _ _ _ W _ _ _ _ _ _ .
Silent Witness
Quote from: Catalina on November 09, 2013, 12:17:44 PM
Silent Witness
Catalina, Silent Witness is the correct answer to my trivia question, and the trainer of that horse is a former legendary jockey named Tony Cruz, a Hong Kong native Portugese.
Name this horse: He was conceived in France (before most of us were born), born in Ireland, and is buried in Kentucky.
Nearco?
Not Nearco. Nearco was Italian bred.
Quote from: Catalina on November 09, 2013, 12:59:54 PM
Name this horse: He was conceived in France (before most of us were born), born in Ireland, and is buried in Kentucky.
One of his daughters is well known, even today.
Princequillo?
Quote from: Ballerina on November 09, 2013, 03:14:05 PM
Princequillo?
We have a winner!!! Yes, indeed, Princequillo, Somethingroyal's daddy. He was shipped from Ireland to the U.S. at a very young age to escape the dangers of World War II, especially the threat of German bombing. He was buried at Claiborne Farm, where he had spent his entire stud career.
http://www.reines-de-course.com/princequillo.htm (http://www.reines-de-course.com/princequillo.htm)
Congratulations, Bal!!!
What thoroughbred horse's skeleton was on display at the American Museum of Natural History?
Not anymore as it's stored off site now
What was the name of Secretariat's first foal and the name of the dam?
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2013, 05:45:35 PM
What thoroughbred horse's skeleton was on display at the American Museum of Natural History?
Not anymore as it's stored off site now
Sysonby.
Since I answered Catalina's question, I posted a question above this response.
Fair enough!
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
Fair enough!
Do you agree with my response to your question?
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2013, 07:00:58 PM
Quote from: Ballerina on November 09, 2013, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: Raven on November 09, 2013, 06:47:30 PM
Fair enough!
Do you agree with my response to your question?
YES! Sorry!
There are several in the Chubb collection. Not sure if this was the horse you had in mind.
Now to repeat my question - the name of Secretariat's first foal and the name of the dam.
Quote from: Ballerina on November 09, 2013, 07:12:11 PM
There are several in the Chubb collection. Not sure if this was the horse you had in mind.
Now to repeat my question - the name of Secretariat's first foal and the name of the dam.
That was an Appy named First Secretary. If I remember correctly the mare was a nurse mare on the farm. Name was Lola or something like that.
I remember being 10 and shocked when I read that in a book. I didn't think you could cross-breed horses at the time.
You folks are confusing me with these rules. But, then I'm confused what profanity is ... these days .... at 'another site'!
Princequillo was easy! I, Blue Jeans, was bred to his son Prince Blessed. We produced Ole Bob Bowers ... who 'blessed' the racing world with the famous John Henry.
Princequillo and I were born the same year, but so were Count Fleet, Triple Crown Winner of '43, John Lennon, the Beatle, and Lassie, the dog. :happy:
Quote from: KimmieB on November 09, 2013, 09:54:04 PM
That was an Appy named First Secretary. If I remember correctly the mare was a nurse mare on the farm. Name was Lola or something like that.
Winner, winner. Leola was the mare.
http://barnlot.tripod.com/firstsecretarynarr.html
This horse won the Melbourne Cup. Two years after he won the Melbourne Cup, his last race was the victory in the Agua Caliente Handicap at Agua Caliente Racetrack in Tijuana, Mexico. In 1983, there was a movie made about this champion racehorse, what is the name of this famous racehorse who won both the Melbourne Cup, and the Agua Caliente Handicap near the Mexican border?
Phar Lap.
Too easy.
This horse won the Melbourne Cup by defeating another horse from the same country as him, who finished second in the race, and both of them are from outside of Australia and the United States, what is the name of this winner of the Melbourne Cup?
Makybe Diva?
Quote from: Catalina on November 10, 2013, 08:31:13 PM
Makybe Diva?
Makybe Diva is the incorrect answer to my trivia question, let me repeat my trivia question:
This horse won the Melbourne Cup by defeating another horse from the same country as him, who finished second in the race, and both of them are from outside of Australia, New Zealand, and the United States, what is the name of this winner of the Melbourne Cup?
(Hint: After Makybe Diva won three Melbourne Cups in 2003, 2004, 2005)
Delta Blues, who defeated Pop Rock, also from Japan in 2006.
Delta Blues is the correct answer to my trivia question.
Once upon a time, a famous American actor owned a steeplechaser that actually came in third in the Grand National. Name the horse.
Quote from: Catalina on November 11, 2013, 12:37:38 PM
Once upon a time, a famous American actor owned a steeplechaser that actually came in third in the Grand National. Name the horse.
I'll take a stab.
Different Class owned by Gregory Peck. Year 1968.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 11, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
Quote from: Catalina on November 11, 2013, 12:37:38 PM
Once upon a time, a famous American actor owned a steeplechaser that actually came in third in the Grand National. Name the horse.
I'll take a stab. Different Class owned by Gregory Peck. Year 1968.
Wow! I am impressed - that is the right answer!
Two trivia questions in one:
Whirlaway was the TC winner in the year 1941.
Who was the horse born the year 1941 but missed being a TC winner by coming in second in the Belmont after winning the KD and Preakness?
Who was the horse that denied him being a TC winner?
Derby & Preakness winner Pensive was beaten by Bounding Home in the 1044 Belmont.
Cheers! You got both correct.
We'll forgive the typo .... year was 1944. :hug:
Bounding Home was the TC's first spoiler. Pensive was the first to lose a TC by coming in second in the Belmont after winning the first two legs of the TC races.
Who was Alydar named after?
Quote from: Raven on November 11, 2013, 04:55:58 PM
Who was Alydar named after?
Lucille Markey liked to address Prince Aly Khan as "Aly Darling". So she named a colt, Alydar, after him. Prince Aly Khan was the father of the current Aga Khan. I remember reading that in "A Wild Ride".
Name the mare who produced 3 different stallions who each sired a Breeders Cup winner.
Correct!!
These two horses were finished first and second in two different orders in the King George at Ascot and the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown, they were ridden by two great European champion jockeys, one of the horses won the Hong Kong Cup before their rivalry of these two prestigious races from Europe, and the Breeders' Cup Turf at Belmont Park, the same year he finished second in the King George, but defeated his rival in the Irish Champion Stakes, what are the names of these two horses in a rivalry in the King George and the Irish Champion Stakes?
Quote from: Flanders on November 12, 2013, 01:00:23 AM
Quote from: Raven on November 11, 2013, 04:55:58 PM
Who was Alydar named after?
Lucille Markey liked to address Prince Aly Khan as "Aly Darling". So she named a colt, Alydar, after him. Prince Aly Khan was the father of the current Aga Khan. I remember reading that in "A Wild Ride".
Name the mare who produced 3 different stallions who each sired a Breeders Cup winner.
That's a hard one, at least for me. My guess would be Terlingua.
Quote from: Catalina on November 12, 2013, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: Flanders on November 12, 2013, 01:00:23 AM
Name the mare who produced 3 different stallions who each sired a Breeders Cup winner.
That's a hard one, at least for me. My guess would be Terlingua.
No.
Cee's Song?
Name the mare who produced 3 stallions, all by different sires, who each sired a Breeders Cup winner.
hint 1)One sired 2 winners and the others had one winner each.
hint 2)All the sons competed in at least one of the Triple Crown races, as well
hint 3)2 of the sons WON Triple Crown races, the other finished last in his race
hint 4)mare was a Broodmare of the Year
hint 5)two of the sons, even though sold as yearlings, retired to the farm of their birth to remain for the entirety of their stallion careers, the lesser accomplished son started his career in Florida but eventually earned his way to Kentucky, unfortunately dying just a few years later
Anecdotal evidence says this might be Best in Show, but I cannot find any pedigree info to back that up.
No. These were all US based horses. I added some more hints.
The clues are making my head hurt.;) Weekend Surprise?
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2013, 12:12:03 PM
The clues are making my head hurt.;) Weekend Surprise?
Correct :)
Name the late Bobby Frankel's first Grade 1 winner and the race in which he won.
Let me repeat my trivia question, before Curtis's:
These two horses were finished first and second in two different orders in the King George at Ascot and the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown, they were ridden by two great European champion jockeys, one of the horses won the Hong Kong Cup before their rivalry of these two prestigious races from Europe, and the Breeders' Cup Turf at Belmont Park, the same year he finished second in the King George, but defeated his rival in the Irish Champion Stakes, what are the names of these two horses in a rivalry in the King George and the Irish Champion Stakes?
(Hint: One of them is owned by Godolphin)
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 15, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
Let me repeat my trivia question, before Curtis's:
These two horses were finished first and second in two different orders in the King George at Ascot and the Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown, they were ridden by two great European champion jockeys, one of the horses won the Hong Kong Cup before their rivalry of these two prestigious races from Europe, and the Breeders' Cup Turf at Belmont Park, the same year he finished second in the King George, but defeated his rival in the Irish Champion Stakes, what are the names of these two horses in a rivalry in the King George and the Irish Champion Stakes?
(Hint: One of them is owned by Godolphin)
Fantastic Light and Galileo.
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Name the late Bobby Frankel's first Grade 1 winner and the race in which he won.
Bertrando?
Pacific Classic?
That's only a guess!!
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Name the late Bobby Frankel's first Grade 1 winner and the race in which he won.
Life Cycle in the 1973 Hollywood Invitational Turf Handicap(which is now the Charles Whittingham Memorial Handicap)?
Quote from: Flanders on November 15, 2013, 05:56:37 PM
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Name the late Bobby Frankel's first Grade 1 winner and the race in which he won.
Life Cycle in the 1973 Hollywood Invitational Turf Handicap(which is now the Charles Whittingham Memorial Handicap)?
You got it!
Quote from: curtis on November 15, 2013, 04:32:29 PM
Fantastic Light and Galileo.
Fantastic Light And Galileo is the correct answer to my trivia question. :rhrse:
Question: not associated with Thoroughbreds
Born in Canada, the son of an Indian chief ..... excelled in sports .... had been a stuntman before becoming an actor and co-starred in many films with another well known actor. Later bred and raced Standardbred horses in his spare time ... especially liked harness racing.
In his fifties, he starred in the 1969 film True Grit.
Name him.
Jay Silverheels, of Tonto fame.
Quote from: Catalina on November 17, 2013, 08:43:07 AM
Jay Silverheels, of Tonto fame.
"Scout" would be mighty proud of you! :D You're a winner! :)
>Silverheels was born Harold J. Smith on the Six Nations of the Grand River First Nation, near Brantford, Ontario, Canada, one of 11 children of a Canadian Mohawk tribal chief and military officer, Major George Smith. Silverheels excelled in athletics and lacrosse before leaving home to travel around North America.<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Silverheels
Name the horse:
This horse, a multiple Grade 1 Jump Racing winner, won his last major steeplechase with a bit that had broken early in the race, and successfully fought off a late challenge in spite of a bowed tendon. He was retired after this race.
Edited to add: Past winner of Hennessy Gold Cup and Cheltenham Gold Cup.
Edited to add: Our mystery horse was retired before Arkle's first win of the Cheltenham Gold Cup. To my knowledge,
they never competed against each other.
Edited to add: Red Rum wasn't even born when our mystery horse was retired from racing.
Edited to add: Like Mill House, he was trained by Fulke Walwyn.
Edited to add: Our mystery horse's last race was the French equivalent of the Grand National.
Edited to add: In his last race (the French equivalent of the Grand National), our mystery horse was ridden by
Fred Winter, and that ride (with a bit that broke at the fourth fence) was deemed
Fred Winter's most famous victory.
I added another clue to the original post.
Arkle?
Good guess, but no, not Arkle. Our mystery horse was retired before Arkle's first win of the Cheltenham Gold Cup. To my knowledge, they never competed against each other.
Red Rum?
No, not Red Rum. Red Rum wasn't even born when our mystery horse was retired from racing.
And another clue: Like Mill House, he was trained by Fulke Walwyn.
Our mystery horse's last race was the French equivalent of the Grand National.
In his last race (the French equivalent of the Grand National), our mystery horse was ridden by Fred Winter, and that ride (with a bit that broke at the fourth fence) was deemed Fred Winter's most famous victory.
Quote from: Catalina on November 19, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
In his last race (the French equivalent of the Grand National), our mystery horse was ridden by Fred Winter, and that ride (with a bit that broke at the fourth fence) was deemed Fred Winter's most famous victory.
The name of the horse is Mandarin, who won the inaugural running of the Hennessy Gold Cup in 1957, and the Cheltenham Gold Cup in 1962.
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 19, 2013, 05:42:21 PM
Quote from: Catalina on November 19, 2013, 05:32:06 PM
In his last race (the French equivalent of the Grand National), our mystery horse was ridden by Fred Winter, and that ride (with a bit that broke at the fourth fence) was deemed Fred Winter's most famous victory.
The name of the horse is Mandarin, who won the inaugural running of the Hennessy Gold Cup in 1957, and the Cheltenham Gold Cup in 1962.
YES!!! We have a winner! Congratulations, Mchorseracecall!
For the story of Mandarin's famous last race, see http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fred+Winter%3A+Mandarin+and+an+amazing+steering+job+in+the+Grand...-a0114957101 (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Fred+Winter%3A+Mandarin+and+an+amazing+steering+job+in+the+Grand...-a0114957101) What a feat for both horse and rider to win a Grand National without the aid of reins.
Here is my next trivia question:
The horse gave Australian champion jockey Damien Oliver one of his three Melbourne Cup wins, and it was also a story in the 2011 Australian Horse Racing Movie starring Stephen Curry as Damien Oliver?
(Hint1: It's not happening in 2013)
(Hint2: This horse is not based in Australia)
Media Puzzle. I actually just added "The Cup" to my Netflix queue recently. I just didn't get a chance to watch it yet.
Quote from: Flanders on November 20, 2013, 01:20:27 AM
Media Puzzle. I actually just added "The Cup" to my Netflix queue recently. I just didn't get a chance to watch it yet.
Media Puzzle is the correct answer to my trivia question. This Melbourne Cup victory by Damien Oliver happened few days after the death of his older brother, jockey Jason Oliver in a training race (barrier trial) accident. For Damien Oliver, it was a very emotional win for him, he won the 2002 Melbourne Cup for him, and he won the 2002 Melbourne Cup for his brother Jason.
New trivia question...
Name the 2007 Kentucky Derby contender owned by Merv Griffin that defected shortly before the race. It would be the second year in a row for one of Griffin's horses to defect before the KD.
Name the other horse.
Blue Jeans, the name of that horse owned by Merv Griffin is Cobalt Blue.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 21, 2013, 05:52:34 AM
New trivia question...
Name the 2007 Kentucky Derby contender owned by Merv Griffin that defected shortly before the race. It would be the second year in a row for one of Griffin's horses to defect before the KD.
Name the other horse.
The other Merv Griffin horse that dropped out of the run for the roses, due to injury, was Stevie Wonderboy.
We have two winners! Mchorseracecall and Catalina :) :)
>If Cobalt Blue does not make the Derby, it would mark the second year in a row that Griffin has had a Derby contender not run due to a setback. Last year, Griffin's Stevie Wonderboy dropped off the Derby trail early in the season due to an injury.<
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/38706/cobalt-blue-may-miss-derby-would-open-door-for-teuflesberg#ixzz2lI2SZkq8
November is Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. Mr. Griffin died of prostate cancer on August 12, 2007 at age 82.
One more trivia question for the road ....
Can you name the only two horses in United States history to be buried with full military honors?
Would that be racehorses?
Would have to be military horses. They don't do burials with military honors for racehorses that I know of.
One of them has to be the Korean war hero that i think was a mare but i cant think of the name. Sgt something!
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 21, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
One more trivia question for the road ....
Can you name the only two horses in United States history to be buried with full military honors?
Reckless and Black Jack?
Quote from: Catalina on November 21, 2013, 04:47:21 PM
Would have to be military horses. They don't do burials with military honors for racehorses that I know of.
True. These were War Horses .... treated like military personnel ... because they were.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 21, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
One more trivia question for the road ....
Can you name the only two horses in United States history to be buried with full military honors?
Answer:
>
Black Jack died after a 29-year military career on February 6, 1976. He was cremated, with his remains laid to rest in a plot at Fort Myer, Virginia, on Summerall Field; his final resting place lies 200 feet (60 m) northeast of the flagpole in the southeast corner of the parade field. He is one of only two horses in United States history to be buried with Full Military Honors, the other being
Comanche.<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Jack_(horse)
>In June 1879, Comanche was brought to Fort Meade by the Seventh Regiment, where he was kept like a prince until 1887. He was taken to Fort Riley, Kansas. As an honor, he was made "Second Commanding Officer" of the 7th Cavalry. At Fort Riley, he became something of a pet, occasionally leading parades and indulging in a fondness for beer.
Comanche died of colic on November 7, 1891, around 29 years old. He is one of only two horses in United States history to be buried with full military honors, the other being Black Jack.
His remains were sent to the University of Kansas and preserved, where they can still be seen today in the university's Natural History Museum.Comanche was restored by museum conservator Terry Brown in 2005.
Comanche is often described as the sole survivor of Custer's detachment, but like so many other legends surrounding the Little Bighorn battle, this one is false. As historian Evan S. Connell writes in Son of the Morning Star:
Comanche was reputed to be the only survivor of the Little Bighorn, but quite a few Seventh Cavalry mounts survived, probably more than one hundred, and there was even a yellow bulldog. Comanche lived on another fifteen years, and when he died, he was stuffed and to this day remains in a glass case at the University of Kansas. So, protected from moths and souvenir hunters by his humidity-controlled glass case, Comanche stands patiently, enduring generation after generation of undergraduate jokes. The other horses are gone, and the mysterious yellow bulldog is gone, which means that in a sense the legend is true. Comanche alone survived.<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comanche_(horse)
Quote from: Flanders on November 21, 2013, 11:07:41 PM
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 21, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
One more trivia question for the road ....
Can you name the only two horses in United States history to be buried with full military honors?
Reckless and Black Jack?
Reckless should've been counted as one that received full military honors according to this ....
>After the war, Reckless, who was praised by The Saturday Evening Post while still in Korea, made several television appearances, including on the "Art Linkletter Show." A film was planned, but ultimately did not materialize, Hutton said, and the horse fell from the national conversation.
She later retired in 1960 at Camp Pendleton and after dying of natural causes, was buried there with full military honors on May 13, 1968.< http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/24/statue-korean-war-horse-reckless-to-be-unveiled-at-marine-museum-in-virginia/
I'm ashamed to admit it, though, I completely forgot about her story ... her dedicated military service was right up there with Comanche's war service! Yikes!
Let's hope someone knows 'somebody' to get the .... 'rest of the story' corrected!
And then there is also Chief, the last cavalry horse, who was buried with full military honors in May 1968.
http://olive-drab.com/od_army-horses-mules_lastcav.php (http://olive-drab.com/od_army-horses-mules_lastcav.php) :
Chief, The Last U.S. Cavalry Horse
Chief, the last U.S. Army cavalry horse, was foaled in 1932. The Army purchased him in 1940 from a Nebraska rancher, at Ft. Robinson, NE. He arrived at his cavalry post, Ft. Riley, KS. on 3 April 1941, assigned to the 10th Cavalry and later the 9th Cavalry. In June 1942, Chief was transferred to the Cavalry School (also at Ft.Riley) where he rose to the rank of Advanced Cavalry Charger. Chief remained at the school after his 1949 semi-retirement until his 1958 full retirement.
During the 1950s and early 1960s the number of retired cavalry horses declined until only Chief was left. For years, Chief enjoyed his retirement days in a corral at the Ft. Riley Riding Club. Each year, Chief entertained hundreds of visitors, a living repreentative of the more than 6,000 horses who were kept on post at Ft. Riley during WW II, as well as all Army horses. Finally, on 24 May 1968, Chief died, to join the millions of faithful cavalry horses who served and died before him. A military funeral with full honors was held, attended by the Commanding General of the U.S. Army.
Chief is buried at Ft. Riley, at the foot of the Old Trooper Monument (modeled after the Cavalry soldier drawing "Old Bill" by Fredric Remington.) Chief is buried upright, encased in a marble vault, ready to ride again.
Quote from: Catalina on November 22, 2013, 09:45:39 AM
And then there is also Chief, the last cavalry horse, who was buried with full military honors in May 1968.
http://olive-drab.com/od_army-horses-mules_lastcav.php (http://olive-drab.com/od_army-horses-mules_lastcav.php) :
Interesting site.
>The last West Point class to receive formal riding instruction was the January Class of 1943.<
Chief lived to be 36!? The Cavalry School folks took good care of the old charger. I wonder what his breeding was?
There's a good chance the army didn't know his pedigree. Here's another website talking about him:
http://www.qmfound.com/last_cavalry_horse_is_historic_symbol.htm (http://www.qmfound.com/last_cavalry_horse_is_historic_symbol.htm)
Name the jockey that won at least one race in 64 racing days in a row. He also won nine races in one day.
One of the best ever!
First to come to mind .... Willie Shoemaker?
No. This jock was east coast based. Did it in the late eighties. NY,NJ.
Jerry Bailey?
No.Not him either.
Chris Antley, who pulled up Charismatic in the Belmont and held his injured leg off the ground until the ambulance and vet could get there, and in doing so almost certainly saved Charismatic's life.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLCtp9n-scN8CPgk0boQqXypcrz61mPsE8OAeN4M_T6qwkzf4gaw (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLCtp9n-scN8CPgk0boQqXypcrz61mPsE8OAeN4M_T6qwkzf4gaw)
Yes! But he did let Drachma run when injured and they had to euthanize him.
This horse won the Macau Triple Crown by winning the Macau Guineas, Macau Derby, and the Macau Gold Cup, and he finished tenth behind So You Think in the 2010 Cox Plate, and finished fourth in the 2010 Emirates Stakes from Flemington, what is the name of the racehorse from Macau?
Quote from: Raven on November 24, 2013, 06:42:43 AM
Yes! But he did let Drachma run when injured and they had to euthanize him.
I didn't know about Drachma... Antley had a drug problem, and maybe it's hard to say what was the addiction and what was the actual man. I did find this quote from a book:
http://books.google.com/books?id=fACVNozwpDIC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=drachma+antley&source=bl&ots=nPnkbwsL9j&sig=fY-JvLkmHDdHshl7nqaU2CvSrm4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0CGSUsiLNYXI2gWi9YDwDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=drachma%20antley&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=fACVNozwpDIC&pg=PA119&lpg=PA119&dq=drachma+antley&source=bl&ots=nPnkbwsL9j&sig=fY-JvLkmHDdHshl7nqaU2CvSrm4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0CGSUsiLNYXI2gWi9YDwDw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=drachma%20antley&f=false)
Something to add to the reading list.
The book is a very good read! And the Drachma incident it's in there. btw Drachma was one of my favorites at the time and i was heartbroken!
I am sorry for everyone who had to watch that incident, and for you and all fans of Drachma.
Back to my trivia question:
This horse won the Macau Triple Crown by winning the Macau Guineas, Macau Derby, and the Macau Gold Cup, and he finished tenth behind So You Think in the 2010 Cox Plate, and finished fourth in the 2010 Emirates Stakes from Flemington, what is the name of the racehorse from Macau?
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 24, 2013, 05:01:46 PM
Back to my trivia question:
This horse won the Macau Triple Crown by winning the Macau Guineas, Macau Derby, and the Macau Gold Cup, and he finished tenth behind So You Think in the 2010 Cox Plate, and finished fourth in the 2010 Emirates Stakes from Flemington, what is the name of the racehorse from Macau?
>Luen Yat Forever has galloped his way into the history books with a commanding win in the Group 1 Macau Gold Cup, to become the first winner of the Macau Triple Crown.< Info found.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/luen+yat+forever
Quote from: Blue Jeans on November 26, 2013, 06:12:43 AM
Quote from: mchorseracecall on November 24, 2013, 05:01:46 PM
Back to my trivia question:
This horse won the Macau Triple Crown by winning the Macau Guineas, Macau Derby, and the Macau Gold Cup, and he finished tenth behind So You Think in the 2010 Cox Plate, and finished fourth in the 2010 Emirates Stakes from Flemington, what is the name of the racehorse from Macau?
>Luen Yat Forever has galloped his way into the history books with a commanding win in the Group 1 Macau Gold Cup, to become the first winner of the Macau Triple Crown.< Info found.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/luen+yat+forever
Luen Yat Forever is the correct answer to my trivia question.
Three days and no new trivia question?
Okay, then name the recently retired horse known as 'Australia's Worst Race Horse' and give his race record?
Vote For Lust, 0-for-90?
Name the horse who, while the bluest of blood flowed through his veins, became an immortal of the turf, by hurdling his way into history. Winning 23 of 29 hurdles, the Racing Post said, "He exchanged greatness for immortality."
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on November 30, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
Vote For Lust, 0-for-90?
Right horse but wrong record.
Record is 90 starts with 0 wins, 5 places and 3 shows
"Name the horse who, while the bluest of blood flowed through his veins, became an immortal of the turf, by hurdling his way into history."
Battleship, by the "mostest horse," Man O'War?
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on December 01, 2013, 12:14:25 PM
"Name the horse who, while the bluest of blood flowed through his veins, became an immortal of the turf, by hurdling his way into history."
Battleship, by the "mostest horse," Man O'War?
No. I should have added he was bred in Europe.
Arkle?
No. He was a 3/4 brother to an Epsom Derby winner and by a leading sire, who won titles in Ireland, Great Britain, France and North America.
Dunno (Ireland) 2005 gelding
http://www.pedigreequery.com/dunno2 :lmao:
Istabraq, who was sired by Sadler's Wells, same as Galileo.
Cheers! I think we have a winner! :)
He was Betty's Secret.
Name the Hall of Fame horse who was named after a very ordinary, albeit famous jockey.
USA? GB? Hint, hint.
Isn't there just one Racing Hall of Fame?
Edited to add: I take it back, I see there IS more than one.
It's the US Racing Hall of Fame. Both the horse and jock were imports, however.
It's not Ben Nevis, that I know. He was bred in GB but named for a mountain range in GB. However, he did like chewing tobacco. :lmao:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/ben+nevis3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Nevis#Etymology
Looks like it's time for a clue or two. The horse was imported by a famous race announcer. The horse became very popular and attendance increased every time he was entered. He went on to sire a Kentucky Derby winner.
Some more clues. The jockey who inspired the HOF horse's name was famous for riding a particular horse who had to make three attempts to garner one of his signature victories. The HOF horse, who inspired this trivia question, also had to make three attempts to win the same race. This same horse had a very high, climbing action as did his KY Derby winning son. His owner once infamously switched his jockey before an important race without the knowledge of the horse's HOF trainer which resulted in one of the most memorable moments in the history of Hollywood Park.
Well, this one is a toughie. Just as soon as I come across a horse that matches two criteria, it doesn't match the remainder.
The horse in question is the first foreign bred to earn a million dollars. He had many quirks but a generally docile personality. One of his quirks was he would not allow the use of a lead pony. He would try to bite it.
Cougar II
Quote from: Flanders on December 07, 2013, 12:24:35 AM
Cougar II
You're on it! Says so in the following article ...
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racinghub/archive/2013/09/23/marlboro-cup-of-champions.aspx
>Adept at racing on turf and dirt, Cougar II had won that year's Santa Anita Handicap. In May of 1973 he became only the 11th equine millionaire in racing history,
and the first foreign bred horse to earn $1 million, upon winning the Century Handicap at Hollywood Park. He had been in-the-money in 28 of his prior 29 starts, all stakes.<
The jockey part was misleading ... to me. ???
Cougar was a nickname! So it was misleading!
Quote from: Raven on December 07, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
Cougar was a nickname! So it was misleading!
Cougars are common in South America .... including Chile. I don't think the horse was named for a Canadian jockey who was at one time nicknamed
"Cougar" but more famous as "Red" Pollard. Of course, I could be wrong! ;D
Quote from: Raven on December 07, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
Cougar was a nickname! So it was misleading!
It took a lot of research to come up with Cougar II, but it was fun finding it. :)
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 07, 2013, 08:42:57 AM
Cougars are common in South America .... including Chile. I don't think the horse was named for a Canadian jockey who was at one time nicknamed
"Cougar" but more famous as "Red" Pollard. Of course, I could be wrong! ;D
Cougar II was named, raced in Chile and subsequently imported by the original Santa Anita announcer Joe Hernandez. Hernandez was a good friend of Red Pollard and wanted to name a horse after Pollard who could run and so he did. There may be three cougars for every person in Chile but Hernandez named the horse for Pollard's boxing nickname. There was a recent book written about Joe Hernandez that speaks of this. The Seabiscuit book makes reference to Pollard's nickname as a boxer. The answer was not obvious which is what makes it trivia. I have considered writing a book about Cougar II lest he always be thought of as the impetus of a crass contest held annually at Del Mar.
Quote from: curtis on December 07, 2013, 04:09:27 PM
Cougar II was named, raced in Chile and subsequently imported by the original Santa Anita announcer Joe Hernandez. Hernandez was a good friend of Red Pollard and wanted to name a horse after Pollard who could run and so he did. There may be three cougars for every person in Chile but Hernandez named the horse for Pollard's boxing nickname. There was a recent book written about Joe Hernandez that speaks of this. The Seabiscuit book makes reference to Pollard's nickname as a boxer. The answer was not obvious which is what makes it trivia. I have considered writing a book about Cougar II lest he always be thought of as the impetus of a crass contest held annually at Del Mar.
Your trivia question certainly contained obscure facts, which is good ... now we all know more about Cougar than some of us did a couple of days ago.
I had kept the article (link posted earlier) ... and rooted for Cougar to win the '73 Marlboro Cup every time I read it. What a horse! Hope you do write a book about him, 'cause he's most interesting. :)
Famous European jockey of yesteryear, who was often referred to by a nickname derived from a physical attribute. His biography (published in 1986) , that could probably be considered especially insightful, was written by a well known author more at home in a different genre. Name the jockey, and the "nickname" by which he was often referred to.
Quote from: Catalina on December 10, 2013, 08:18:58 AM
Famous European jockey of yesteryear, who was often referred to by a nickname derived from a physical attribute. His biography (published in 1986) , that could probably be considered especially insightful, was written by a well known author more at home in a different genre. Name the jockey, and the "nickname" by which he was often referred to.
Lester Keith Piggott .... "The Long Fellow"
Lester: The Official Biography, Dick Francis, Michael Joseph, London, 1986
>Famously tall for a jockey (5 ft 8 in/1.73 m), hence his nickname of "The Long Fellow", Lester Piggott struggled to keep his weight down and for most of his career rode at little more than 8 stone (112 lb/51 kg). He pioneered a new style of race-riding that was subsequently widely adopted by colleagues at home and abroad and enabled him to become Champion Jockey eleven times.<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Piggott
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 10, 2013, 11:46:22 AM
Lester Keith Piggott .... "The Long Fellow"
Lester: The Official Biography, Dick Francis, Michael Joseph, London, 1986
>Famously tall for a jockey (5 ft 8 in/1.73 m), hence his nickname of "The Long Fellow", Lester Piggott struggled to keep his weight down and for most of his career rode at little more than 8 stone (112 lb/51 kg). He pioneered a new style of race-riding that was subsequently widely adopted by colleagues at home and abroad and enabled him to become Champion Jockey eleven times.<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lester_Piggott
That was fast! Yes, Lester Piggott, the "The Long Fellow". Well done, BJ!
Name the horse, race and year in which the fastest 10f on dirt was achieved by an American three-year-old.
Dr Fager, 1968,Arlington Handicap?
Quote from: curtis on December 11, 2013, 11:04:40 AM
Name the horse, race and year in which the fastest 10f on dirt was achieved by an American three-year-old.
Spectacular Bid ran the 10F distance in 1:57.80 in the 1979 Meadowlands Cup (?) ... distance was changed in 1990 to 9F.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 11, 2013, 02:02:50 PM
Spectacular Bid ran the 10F distance in 1:57.80 in the 1979 Meadowlands Cup (?) ... distance was changed in 1990 to 9F.
Spectacular Bid's world record of 1:57 4/5 for 10f was set in the Strub Stakes at Santa Anita during his four-year-old season. It took Bid 2:01 3/5 to traverse the same distance at the Meadowlands during the fall of his three-year-old season. Thus, Spectacular Bid is not the correct answer.
The horse in question did not race in any of the classics. He raced three seasons--at ages three, four and five--and finished each season with the same race,
the same race in which he ran the fastest 10f for a three-year-old. Though it is the fastest 10f ever run at the track at which he ran the race in question, it is no longer recognized as that track's record for the distance. The horse was not disqualified. He was a stablemate of Cougar II. They competed against one another once.
Quote from: Raven on December 11, 2013, 01:15:34 PM
Dr Fager, 1968,Arlington Handicap?
Sorry I skipped this, but though a good guess, Dr. Fager is incorrect.
This is just a guess since I'm having a hard time finding out if he ran in the Gold Cup more than once.
Quack, 1972, Hollywood Gold Cup (1:58.20)
:celebrate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quack_(horse)
Quote from: Flanders on December 11, 2013, 10:48:13 PM
This is just a guess since I'm having a hard time finding out if he ran in the Gold Cup more than once.
Quack, 1972, Hollywood Gold Cup (1:58.20)
Correct! Quack competed in the Hollywood Gold Cup three times; winning in 1972, finishing second in a photo in 1973 (a very famous running due to a musical jockeys game initiated by Mary Jones the owner of Cougar II) and unplaced in 1974. His time in 1972 equalled the then world record of Noor's which had beed set in the 1950 Golden Gate Handicap. Except for the two with which I live, Quack was easily my favorite thoroughbred. Quack is the broodmare sire of California stallion Kafwain and the Baffert's fairly recent Gr.1 type, Misremembered. Quack was massive, similar in size to Forego and if not for ankles the size and consistency of grapefruit, might have been as good as any horse in the country the years he raced. Whittingham always said he couldn't train him but he could run him. He used to try to keep Quack racing fit by having him log time in an aqua treadmill and by galloping 3-4 miles clockwise around the track. Whittingham and jockey Don Pierce always lamented that Quack was a short horse in the last three 10f races in which he competed. The horse just wasn't sound enough to train properly.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 12, 2013, 06:38:47 AM
:celebrate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quack_(horse)
I wrote at least half of that which proves I sometimes have too much time on my hands. ;)
Quote from: curtis on December 12, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
I wrote at least half of that which proves I sometimes have too much time on my hands. ;)
Just a few minutes ago, I read on page 29 of 12/7/13 B-H issue about the 1973 Hollywood Gold Cup that was listed as HP's Top 10 Races by Jon White. Guess who? Yep, Quack! :) ... sadly lost by a nose to Kennedy Road ... and Cougar coming in third five lengths back. Would you happen to know why Shoemaker was "bounced off" Cougar for that race by the owner? Lucky for Shoemaker ... he rode the winner, Kennedy Road. The owner was booed by the fans .... and Shoemaker was cheered! Thought you might know .... more of this story.
Shoemaker said that he didn't know why Mary F Jones said to Charlie Whittingham to go get Laffit Pincay to ride the horse.
That in his own words.
Chuck Whittingham owned half interest inCougar II and she owned the other half . He was so mad that he told her to to take the horse out of his barn then sold his share and he commented latter"Pretty expensive mad wasn't?"
Because the horse made over a million after that!
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All of the above i read in the book: Shoemaker... America's greatest jockey. By Shoemaker and Barney Nagler!
Quote from: Raven on December 12, 2013, 04:40:04 PM
Shoemaker said that he didn't know why Mary F Jones said to Charlie Whittingham to go get Laffit Pincay to ride the horse.
That in his own words.
Chuck Whittingham owned half interest inCougar II and she owned the other half . He was so mad that he told her to to take the horse out of his barn then sold his share and he commented latter"Pretty expensive mad wasn't?"
Because the horse made over a million after that!
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All of the above i read in the book: Shoemaker... America's greatest jockey. By Shoemaker and Barney Nagler!
Thank you for this info. So, it was Pincay who rode Cougar that day! You just answered another question I had concerning the jockey for that horse. Shoemaker rode Cougar in the first Marlboro Cup in Sept. of that year .... barely lost to Riva Ridge for second place.
Much of the two Shoemaker books are well...embellished to say the least. While it was fairly common knowledge that Whittingham had a healthy share of Ack Ack, there was never any evidence that he owned any of Cougar. Whittingham had no knowledge of Jones replacing Shoemaker with Pincay until he called Vince DeGregory, Pincay's agent, to book Pincay on Kennedy Road. DeGregory told Whittingham that he already had a call for the Gold Cup, on Cougar. Since Jones bought Cougar in the summer of 1970, Shoemaker rode him almost exclusively. When a conflict arose in the 1971 Big 'Cap, Shoe stayed with Ack Ack and defeated Cougar with Pincay up. Because of a suspension in the fall of 1972, Don Pierce subbed for Shoe winning the Carleton F. Burke at Santa Anita on Cougar. Not long before the 1973 Big 'Cap, Shoemaker broke his hand and Pincay subbed for him twice on Cougar, winning the Big 'Cap and finishing third on a yielding turf course (Cougar hated anything soft) in the San Luis Rey Stakes. Shoemaker then finished third twice on Cougar--San Juan Capistrano and Hollywood Turf Invitational--sandwiched around a big win in the Century Handicap. It was in the Century that Cougar became the first foreign bred millionaire. It was after the Hollywood Turf Invitational that the trouble started.
Cougar was incredibly popular with the media and fans. He wouldn't allow use of a lead pony and would stop and go as he pleased on the way to the gate. He often times would stop in front of the tote board, gaze at it then look at the crowd as if he was confirming that he should be favored. He had a long flowing mane and tail that flew as wildly as his moods. Cougar could not be forced into anything he had to be finessed into it and at this Shoemaker was the master. When Cougar ran and won the Big 'Cap earlier that year, he had been prepared for the race on works alone as a device to keep weight off of him. Whittingham's ploy worked as he was asked to carry 126. Had Cougar won a prep race or two he would have carried at least 130. Since he was fresh, Cougar was compliant for Pincay and they had a good trip except for a bumping incident late in the race of which Cougar was absolved of blame. By 1971, Pincay had replaced Shoemaker as the leading rider on the circuit by a wide margin. Jones loved Cougar and soon began to blame Shoemaker for what she deemed as sub par performances. Since Cougar had won the Big 'Cap with Pincay--and in her opinion he was the superior jockey--Jones wanted Pincay to be Cougar's rider. The trouble was that Cougar was very difficult to ride. He would take him self back out of the gate and then want to be on the rail at all costs which only made for traffic problems. You couldn't really ask or tell him to do anything but make him think it was his idea. At this stage in his career, Pincay's biggest asset was his strength and power. Soon after the horses broke from the gate in the Gold Cup, Pincay could see that the pace was going to be solid but not blazing so he niggled at Cougar to stay close--Cougar sulked and slowed down. Pincay then asked Cougar to pick it up--Cougar became irritated and slowed down further. Around the 6f pole, Pincay demonstratively told Cougar to go and Cougar got angry and all but stopped. At this point Pincay gave up and just sat still. At about the 5/16 pole, Cougar seemed to look up and decide he had work to do. He took ahold of the bit and made an electrifying move to get third five lengths behind Kennedy Road--with Shoemaker up--and Quack who were a nose apart. Shoemaker knew of these quirks in Cougar's personality, Pincay did not and I do not imagine that Shoemaker was forthcoming with any tips as to how to get Cougar to run. Jones was booed in her box both before and after the race and she reportedly left after the race in tears. Shoemaker was rousingly cheered as he brought Kennedy Road back to the winner's circle. Whittingham trained Kennedy Road, Quack and Cougar so while not in love with the drama, he seemed to persevere. It was Whittingham's intent to run Cougar back in the closing day 12f on turf Sunset Handicap and he told Jones in no uncertain terms that Shoemaker would be aloft. Jones did not come to Hollywood Park to watch the Sunset Handicap, very uncharacteristic for her, since Cougar had almost become her identity. The race was not televised or broadcast live on the radio. Jones reportedly called the Hollywood Park publicity office after the race to ask if Cougar had won. When told he had, she was asked if she had a comment, she answered "No" and hung up. For the record when The Big Cat--as he was known--and Shoemaker made their move in the stretch in the Sunset, the horse they ran down late was, course record holder for the distance, Life Cycle with Pincay up. Shoe then was up for both of Cougar's fall New York races. Sorry for the length, but this really was my attempt at the Reader's Digest version.
:thumbsup:
You should write a book. Or a blog at least. Fascinating.
I keep threatening to write a book about Cougar. So little is remembered about him that it may be of some interest. He and John Henry were easily the most popular horses I ever saw race on the so. CA circuit. Not meaning to diminish it, but the Zenyatta phenomenon was a different thing. Cougar and John Henry had the respect and adoration of the race track degenerates. The interest that Zenyatta garnered did bring back those days somewhat though.
Love reading about Cougar, and you must treat us with more Cougar stories. Fell in love with the horse after reading about him in the '73 Marlboro Cup (link posted earlier that I found at B-H).
I still prefer thinking he was named for a So. American cougar capable of running 40 to 50 miles an hour. ;D
Thanks for all the great info.
ETA: http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/racinghub/archive/2013/09/23/marlboro-cup-of-champions.aspx
Thanks Curtis for the history lesson!
I dont remember seeing Cougar, as i started going to the track in early 1974 in NY. But John Henry on the other hand i've seen almost every race that he run in NY.
He was very popular in NY as you can imagine!!
And please keep on enlighten us with your wisdom!!!
Spiro
Checked the progeny of Cindy Lou, dam of Cougar. She had six foals born in Chile ... all their names began with the letter "C". The two foals born in USA had names that began with the letter "G". I'm guessing she and Cougar were sent to the USA around 1970 .... when Cougar was 4 years old.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/cindy+lou2
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 15, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
Checked the progeny of Cindy Lou, dam of Cougar. She had six foals born in Chile ... all their names began with the letter "C". The two foals born in USA had names that began with the letter "G". I'm guessing she and Cougar were sent to the USA around 1970 .... when Cougar was 4 years old.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/progeny/cindy+lou2
She actually had quite a few more born in Chile but they still all started with the letter "C". I just added them though they aren't showing up for me yet. She had foals every year from 1959 to 1973, with the exception of 1972. Her first US foal, born in 1971, was bred on Southern Hemisphere time so she missed the US breeding season.
Quote from: Flanders on December 15, 2013, 09:06:18 PM
She actually had quite a few more born in Chile but they still all started with the letter "C". I just added them though they aren't showing up for me yet. She had foals every year from 1959 to 1973, with the exception of 1972. Her first US foal, born in 1971, was bred on Southern Hemisphere time so she missed the US breeding season.
Wow! They're all showing up now! Gee, how did "Mortimer" get in the picture? Tale of Two Cities must have been on vacation that day, huh? ???
That Cindy Lou was a Wonder Woman. That is some record. Bless her heart, and she gave the world Cougar to love forever. Thanks for sharing that info.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 16, 2013, 06:55:06 AM
Wow! They're all showing up now! Gee, how did "Mortimer" get in the picture? Tale of Two Cities must have been on vacation that day, huh? ???
That Cindy Lou was a Wonder Woman. That is some record. Bless her heart, and she gave the world Cougar to love forever. Thanks for sharing that info.
I love researching pedigrees and sire/produce records. I had to double check the Mortimer's Cross foal. I was getting used to putting in Tale of Two Cities. Its amazing for a mare not to miss a year. I wonder what happened to her after she came to the US? She only had one foal from a US breeding. That filly, while a winner, doesn't have any produce.
Quote from: Flanders on December 17, 2013, 01:08:56 AM
I love researching pedigrees and sire/produce records. I had to double check the Mortimer's Cross foal. I was getting used to putting in Tale of Two Cities. Its amazing for a mare not to miss a year. I wonder what happened to her after she came to the US? She only had one foal from a US breeding. That filly, while a winner, doesn't have any produce.
So do I and I know diddly about pedigrees. Would love to know Cougar's birthday and date of death. Hope he was a September baby! I find this horse so interesting. Thanks for the info you've given us. Cindy Lou steals your heart.
All I know is Cougar was born in 1966 and died 1989.
Equibase is good for dates of birth, and they show Cougar as having been born July 1, 1966.
Quote from: Catalina on December 17, 2013, 09:47:32 AM
Equibase is good for dates of birth, and they show Cougar as having been born July 1, 1966.
Thanks. Didn't realize Equibase kept records that far back. That's nice to know.
I always thought the Southern Hemisphere foals' birthdays began on August 1st or later. Someone from SoAm who posted at the B-H a few months ago, gave July 1st as the date.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on December 17, 2013, 10:54:26 AM
Thanks. Didn't realize Equibase kept records that far back. That's nice to know.
I always thought the Southern Hemisphere foals' birthdays began on August 1st or later. Someone from SoAm who posted at the B-H a few months ago, gave July 1st as the date.
I don't know what the odds are for that July 1 date to be a generic date, that far back.
Quote from: Catalina on December 19, 2013, 09:21:20 AM
I don't know what the odds are for that July 1 date to be a generic date, that far back.
That's what I thought. The July 1st date was probably meant to show he was a SH foal. However, everywhere I read .... the date August 1st is the date and not July 1st for the SH foal. ???
>Thoroughbreds born in the Northern Hemisphere are officially considered a year older on the first of January each year; those born in the Southern Hemisphere officially are one year older on the first of August. These artificial dates have been set to enable the standardization of races and other competitions for horses in certain age groups.< Wiki source.
Do you suppose the SH dates might have changed since then? Also, I just looked at his entry again, and all the foreign race dates are marked as 1/1/and whatever the year was.
It doesn't make sense to me for Aug. 1 to be the standard birthday for SH horses...that's the start of the 8th month of the year. If you assume that the "offset" between the two hemispheres is exactly six months, that would put the start of the SH year (for horses) on July 1.
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on December 19, 2013, 12:21:30 PM
It doesn't make sense to me for Aug. 1 to be the standard birthday for SH horses...that's the start of the 8th month of the year. If you assume that the "offset" between the two hemispheres is exactly six months, that would put the start of the SH year (for horses) on July 1.
But, wouldn't it then almost make sense for August 1 being the start of the breeding season?
Quote from: Catalina on December 19, 2013, 08:15:23 PM
But, wouldn't it then almost make sense for August 1 being the start of the breeding season?
August 1st is the official birth date of Southern Hemisphere horses. I don't know about other countries but Australia's breeding season doesn't open until September 1st.
There is an artist whose professional and actual families inspired the names of both a KY Derby winner and a Horse of the Year. Name the artist and the horses.
Sting....Giacomo and Zenyatta?
Quote from: BaroqueAgain1 on February 27, 2014, 03:51:39 PM
Sting....Giacomo and Zenyatta?
Correct! I saw a couple of Police videos the other day and it made me think of those horses. I saw Sting live a couple of years ago and he's still exceptional, but I'll always have the vision of he, Copeland, and Summers dancing to the Ska beat of Message in a Bottle. I remember trying to mimic that in high school. There's a reason he does what he does and I do what I do! ;)
Good one, Curtis. Here's an easy one ... for most of you. 8)
Name the first Florida-bred to capture the Run for the Roses and the year he won?
ETA 3/3/14 No Takers? ??? Answer can be found at the following ...
http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/horse-racing-steve-haskin/archive/2014/02/27/in-the-shadow-of-giants.aspx
This jockey( maybe the best ever) had 628 career victories from 1,412 mounts for an amazing winning percentage of .44 that has never been approached. He also rode three winners of the Kentucky Derby!
Who was that jockey?
Quote from: Raven on March 03, 2014, 03:45:35 PM
This jockey( maybe the best ever) had 628 career victories from 1,412 mounts for an amazing winning percentage of .44 that has never been approached. He also rode three winners of the Kentucky Derby!
Who was that jockey?
Isaac Murphy
http://nostalgichorse.com/a-nostalgic-ride/
In this age of the internet is very hard to post a trivia question that someone can't find the answer on line!!
Thanks for the link to the article!!!
Quote from: Raven on March 04, 2014, 04:58:07 PM
In this age of the internet is very hard to post a trivia question that someone can't find the answer on line!!
Thanks for the link to the article!!!
You're quite welcome. Where was the internet when I was going to school? :lmao:
Quote from: Blue Jeans on March 05, 2014, 07:53:11 AM
You're quite welcome. Where was the internet when I was going to school? :lmao:
That makes at least two of us!!
Three KD winners met in the same race and they finished first,second,third in order: 5yr old first 4yr old second 3yr old third!
Who were those horses
Quote from: Raven on March 13, 2014, 08:23:36 AM
Three KD winners met in the same race and they finished first,second,third in order: 5yr old first 4yr old second 3yr old third!
Who were those horses
It's been a whole week ... and no takers. Dying to know the answer. ???
OK here it goes!
It was the 1918 Fall Classic at Pimlico
George Smith (1916 KD winner) first
Omar Khayam (1917 KD winner) second
Exterminator (1918 KD winner) third!!
As a side note: Stromboli was in the race too!!
If anyone wants to read about this race, Colin's Ghost has a write up about it!!
Holy moley! Good one, Raven. I chose the wrong century to start the process of elimination; I would have never gotten the answer. :o
Interesting!
Name the only horse to finish 3rd in all the Triple Crown races. Bonus question: Name the only horse that finished 5th in all the Triple Crown races.
Quote from: Flanders on May 26, 2014, 07:53:58 PM
Name the only horse to finish 3rd in all the Triple Crown races. Bonus question: Name the only horse that finished 5th in all the Triple Crown races.
Mane Minister in 1991 was third in all races.
Hawkster in 1989 was fifth in all races.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on May 29, 2014, 07:08:28 AM
Mane Minister in 1991 was third in all races.
Hawkster in 1989 was fifth in all races.
Yoohoo! Anybody home? Guess not. ::)
From wiki TC:
>Only one horse, Alydar, has placed (finished second) in all three races. He was defeated by Affirmed in all three races in 1978 by a combined margin of two lengths. In addition,
Mane Minister finished third in each race in 1991, and Hawkster finished fifth in each race in 1989.<
Question:
Name the first US owned/bred horse to win a classic European race, the name of the race and name of owner at the time?
I might be wrong,but here i go!
Nijinsky-Epsom Derby-Charles Engelhard with Lester Piggott!
Quote from: Raven on June 02, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I might be wrong,but here i go!
Nijinsky-Epsom Derby-Charles Engelhard with Lester Piggott!
No, Nijinsky was Canadian-bred.
One more try!!
Sir Ivor-Epsom Derby-Raymond Guest.
Quote from: Blue Jeans on June 02, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Question:
Name the first US owned/bred horse to win a classic European race, the name of the race and name of owner at the time?
Answer:
The year was 1881.
Iroquois
Epsom Derby
Pierre Lorillard IV
Quote from: Blue Jeans on May 29, 2014, 07:08:28 AM
Mane Minister in 1991 was third in all races.
Hawkster in 1989 was fifth in all races.
You got it right! Sorry I don't check here as often as I should.
Name the owner that won the KD, with the first horse that he ever owned!
Come on guys!! It's not that hard!!
Clue! He named the horse like he was his own son!!
Quote from: Raven on September 25, 2014, 07:30:41 AM
Name the owner that won the KD, with the first horse that he ever owned!
Fred W. Hooper with Hoop Jr.
Good one, Raven. Here's Mr. Hooper's obit ... very interesting read:
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/05/sports/fred-w-hooper-102-a-leading-owner-and-breeder-in-thoroughbred-racing-dies.html
Born in the little town of Cleveland, GA in 1897, which is known as the place where the 'Little People' and 'Cabbage Patch' dolls were created by Zachary Roberts. Mr. Hooper was a working man .... till the day he died at 102.
Thanks for the link B.J. !!